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Michael Arndt
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Posted: 10 June 2017 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The trailer looked great.

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Thom Price
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What your reaction be if someone fired a gun at you? Would you stand there or try to move out of the way? It could just be gut instinct.

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I'm not a superhero. Would you say the same thing about Captain America or Wonder Woman, asking why they deflect bullets rather than move out of the way as gut instinct?

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Robert Shepherd
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The problem with a suit that can absorb the kinetic energy from a hail of bullets is that the suit should also be able to absorb the kinetic energy any every punch thrown at it, but that didn't seem to be the case in Civil War.

The suit makes good comic book sense but it's one of those "powers" that is hard to write consistently.


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Anthony J Lombardi
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I'm not a superhero. Would you say the same thing about Captain America or Wonder Woman, asking why they deflect bullets rather than move out of the way as gut instinct?
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Does Captain America just stand there and get shot at? Or does he protect himself with his shield?  What do you think he would do if he didn't have his shield? Do you think he'd just stand there and get shot? Or would he try to dodge the bullets?

Depending what era of Wonder Woman we are dealing with. The answer might be different. I've the most basic of knowledge about her history. 
If we are talking about the times when she is considered to be on the same level as Superman. I don't know if she is bullet proof like Superman. If she is I doubt she would move out of the way of bullet fire.

In her early adventures she would have done so. Those bracelets of hers weren't just for decoration. 


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Michael Roberts
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Again, Panther uses it as an intimidation tactic.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Again, Panther uses it as an intimidation tactic.
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Michael Roberts
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Again, Panther uses it as an intimidation tactic.
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You know this how?

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I read the comics? I'm confused about what you are asking.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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What I'm asking is how do you know that Black Panther is letting himself get shot is a intimidation tactic? Can you provide me with the issue number where I can read that?

 If the writer says that's what he's doing that's than what he's doing. Personally I think that's a ridiculous idea. But I'll accept it as being factual.



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Michael Roberts
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I don't have my issues readily available, but it's something he did a few
times in the Priest run. What exactly is ridiculous about it? How is it any
different from Superman catching bullets with his hand or letting bullets
bounce off of him when he can just as easily disarm the gunman?
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Anthony J Lombardi
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I don't have my issues readily available, but it's something he did a few 
times in the Priest run.
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Thanks Michael, if you find the time and at your convenience of course. If you could locate the numbers it would be helpful to me in hunting them down.
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 What exactly is ridiculous about it? How is it any 
different from Superman catching bullets with his hand or letting bullets 
bounce off of him when he can just as easily disarm the gunman?
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It's ridiculous because unlike Superman. Black Panther doesn't have super speed and is no where near as indestructible as Superman. 

Sure characters like Superman and the Hulk could stand there and take a bullet. Several thousand of them even and not even be bothered.


Black Panther just isn't on their level.
He's on the same playing field as Captain America and Batman.  A stray bullet could easily take them down. That's why I think it's a ridiculous tactic.

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Brian Miller
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Wouldn't that make it even MORE intimidating if a guy that's not on the level of Superman or the Hulk has bullets just bouncing off of him?
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Wouldn't that make it even MORE intimidating if a guy that's not on the level of Superman or the Hulk has bullets just bouncing off of him?
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I think the answer to this one is multi layered.
 For we the readers it certainly would be more dramatic. 

With in the context of the comic I doubt that the bad guy is even going to give it any thought. As to it being more intimidating because the character isn't on the same level as the Hulk or Superman.

I think it's plausible that The Black Panther or Cap or Batman would take a bullet as an act of heroism. It doesn't however make sense from a tactical point of view for them to do so. Just for the sake of being intimidating. 

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Michael Roberts
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This is just a weird hill to die on.

Anyway, I enjoyed the Priest runódespite the jabs that he was turned
into Marvel's Batmanóbecause that Black Panther was more like the
guy from FANTASTIC FOUR #52 who was able to defeat the Fantastic
Four with preparation and advanced tech rather the guy who was
underutilized in the Avengers.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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This is just a weird hill to die on. 

Anyway, I enjoyed the Priest runódespite the jabs that he was turned 
into Marvel's Batmanóbecause that Black Panther was more like the 
guy from FANTASTIC FOUR #52 who was able to defeat the Fantastic 
Four with preparation and advanced tech rather the guy who was 
underutilized in the Avengers.
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I've only had a passing interest in the Black Panther. I enjoyed him most during Lee and Kirby's handling of the character. 

The later stuff didn't appeal to me as much. Not as a slight to any of the writers. The art didn't appeal to me so I didn't read much of what came afterwards.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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This is just a weird hill to die on.
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This conversation is a hell of a lot more entertaining than discussing Trump. A lot less stressful as well.
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Eric Sofer
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So I've proof that I am too fucking old. Everyone seems interested that T'Challa could take a hail of bullets and that it would be intimidating, since that seems intrinsic to the character.

The scene everyone seems to appreciate is Black Panther walking through the gunshots to intimidate the villains.

The scene I envision is half a dozen hunters... but now there's only five. Now only four... 
"Where are Charlie and Kevin?" 
"I dunno... I didn't hear nothin'..." 
"What if it's... the Panther?" 
"Yer nuts! That's only a legend, right Tony? Tony...? Holy crap, where's Tony?"
And there's the faint brush of a foot against the ground... and no other sound.

Apparently, this Priest's run was about the Black Panther being obvious and blunt. I remember the Panther being subtle and stealthy.

But it's obvious that these movies, and this music, isn't intended for me. It's for a much younger audience who doesn't CARE who the Black Panther is.

And you kids get off my lawn! :D
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Robert Shepherd
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Before I start, let me state I really like the Black Panther. I only know him as a member of the Avengers, but he is, to me, a character of high integrity right there with Captain America. I can't think of any other character off the top of my head who is part of that group.

While I agree that Black Panther should be about stealth, I also think it makes sense that he leverage vibranium, since it is so deeply entrenched in Wakandan lore and science.

As a character with powers, Panther with just agility and stealth, isn't any different from your typical Ninja or any other martial artist type fighter. I believe writers wanted/needed to augment him in some way to make him more unique. So it was logical that he utilize Wakandan tech. Logical....but not really desired. Black Panther has at times been too much like Tony Stark or Reed Richards with his tech.....but again, that is logical....even if i don't prefer it.

So for me at least, having some additional abilities in the suit works. I don't really want a super-hi-tech Panther, but there should be something to make his power set unique. The suit does that. Cap has his shield, Panther as his suit.

Even so, I don't like him shrugging off a rain of bullets like they don't exist. The suit should not cancel ALL kinetic energy.


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James Woodcock
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I'm assuming the first scene in the advert is a flash back, because they certainly seem to know exactly where Wakanda is in Age of Ultron and. Civil War.

Or am I missing something?
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Michael Roberts
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I'm assuming the first scene in the advert is a flash back, because they
certainly seem to know exactly where Wakanda is in Age of Ultron and.
Civil War.

Or am I missing something?

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You are missing something. The world knows where Wakanda is, as
Ross indicates, but Klaw knows about the technologically advanced
parts that the Wakandans keep hidden.
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Shaun Barry
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(Also, look closely and you'll see Klaw is already missing his left arm, which he lost in AGE OF ULTRON.)



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James Woodcock
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So where does the South America reference come from? And the statement that he's the only person to have returned? I'm going to have to rewatch this a few more times.
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Michael Roberts
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Klaw is saying that the legend of El Dorado, the city of Gold,which
Spanish explorers searched for in South America, applies to Wakanda.
I'm not sure if he's saying it was directly inspired by Wakanda, or if he is
just making an analogy.
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James Woodcock
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Ok, just rewatched and got it. Yes, speaking metaphorically. Confusion averted.
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Wallace Sellars
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I have to remind myself to avoid reading comments beneath superhero videos
on Youtube, particularly if any of the characters shown are People of Color.

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Matt Hawes
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Wallace, I had the same experience.
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