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paul naring
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Posted: 03 September 2017 at 3:39am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Dam its got Elvis in it, now I have to go see it.
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Jozef Brandt
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I'm another one of the (maybe not so) few who prefers the theatrical cut.  I really resent Ridley Scott's revisionism when it comes to the "is he a replicant" question.  It renders the entire emotional core of the movie moot if it's just robots beating up on each other.  It kicks the reason Dick wrote the story completely to the curb, and it even undermines the romance angle. 

Ford's dispirited voice over actually never bothered me because I was expecting a futuristic noir film when I walked through the door the first time around. 

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I like the idea of the film asking the question (but leaving it all subtle and ambiguous), but not with there being a definitive answer.

And, as noted, the emotional core of the film is Deckard getting back in touch with his own humanity after goIng through this experience.


It's been quite some time since I watched the film in any of its incarnations. So, I think I'll be cracking open my Blu-Ray Esper briefcase boxset and rewatching everything (all versions of the film, and all special features), soon.


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Jozef Brandt
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Yeah, I don't remember who told the story (I listen to so many film podcasts that I can't keep track) but I remember someone saying that sometime in the late 80s, Ridley Scott just wanted to say something that would shock people so he randomly said that Deckard was a replicant.  Then in subsequent edits of the movie, he kept inserting more and more stuff to imply it just because he liked blowing people's minds and not because there was any basis for it.  The screenwriters disavowed it at some point (at least David Webb Peoples did). 


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I programmed 20 BLADE RUNNER trivia questions into the front of
house POS screens last night. Fun!
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Shane Matlock
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This is a great article about the making of Blade Runner. It's really interesting with some laugh out loud moments, like the bit about the t-shirt wars with Ridley Scott and the crew and Harrison Ford getting upset when he realized what was happening while shooting the (deleted in the theatrical version) unicorn dream, “Goddammit, I thought we said I wasn’t a replicant!”
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Shaun Barry
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All I can say about this film, for now, is:

I finally saw the trailer up on the big screen last week, before a showing of IT... the only thing that got me excited was the synth score blaring out of the theater speakers.

The visuals and dialogue left me completely cold.  Almost looks like it should be re-titled as BLADE RUNNER: PROMETHEUS!


 
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Shane Matlock
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They released the second prequel short film to Blade Runner: 2049, I believe last Friday. This one titled Blade Runner 2048: Nowhere to Run and starring Dave Bautista as a replicant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYH9aGEEGg
 




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Greg Kirkman
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FYI-- I was in a bookstore, this afternoon, and saw that a third edition of Paul M. Sammon's FUTURE NOIR: THE MAKING OF BLADE RUNNER has just come out. This edition is revised and expanded, with new interviews and information.

Ten years ago, I picked up the second edition (a UK-only release), which was put out to promote the Final Cut of the film. This new edition omits sections from the last one, but also inserts a fair amount of brand-new material, so I deemed it different enough to be worth picking up.

FUTURE NOIR is essential reading for any fan of the film, and is also one of the single best "making-of" books ever produced. It's often referred to as "The BLADE RUNNER Bible".


I'll also soon be diving back into my Blu-Ray BR briefcase boxset to watch all of the versions of the film and all of the special features.
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Thanks for the heads up, Greg. Sounds like something I really need to read.
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Stephen Churay
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I love how everyone seems to take a little something
different from the original movie.

For me it's, what does it mean to be human? Does it have
to do with our biological origin, or is it how we live?

Roy Batty is upset, because he has had these amazing
experiences and wants to continue to live. Dekard,
replicant or not, seems to have a long life, but is he
living or just waiting to die? By falling in love with
Rachel and watching Batty fight to live only to finally
accept death, Dekard learns to live again at the end of
the film.

The theatrical give Dekard and Rachel a happily ever
after. They run away and she has the ability for a long
life.

I like the the Final Cut better. If they're both
Replicants, and they both have only a short time to live,
then appreciating the time they have becomes that much
more important.

I'm sure the new film is going to change some of my
perceptions of the original film. I only hope it's in an
interesting way. Early reviews for this sequel are
through the roof, positive.
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James Woodcock
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The reviews for this new film are insane. Can it really be THAT good?
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Stephen Churay
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THAT good is relative. I'm taking it that
it's a beautiful picture that's worthy of
being a sequel to the original.

To me, BLADERUNNER is the greatest piece
of cinematic science fiction ever made.
I'm not willing to accept anybody's
thoughts on the film. Although the fact
that I haven't read or seen a bad review
is promising.
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Greg Kirkman
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To me, BLADERUNNER is the greatest piece of cinematic science fiction ever made.
++++++++++

As I've been revisiting the original, recently (as noted in the "What disc did you have in last" thread), I have to go with my gut and say that it is indeed a masterpiece. I can't quite subscribe to the idea that Ridley Scott's genius on that film was a happy accident. His quirks and obsessions may have gotten the better of his more recent films, but BLADE RUNNER very clearly has hidden depths and subtext which were deliberately layered into it, and are not just a matter of fans reading more into it than is actually there. As Paul Sammon has noted, the film is like a sort of Chinese box, with more and more intricate layers that you discover the more times you watch it.

It's a masterpiece of world-building, and one of the greatest-looking films ever made. But, there is also a core of wonderful subtleties and ambiguities, and many of those are left unspoken. Which is why the film continues to mystify and confound, 35 years later. It defies convential narrative and structure, leaves much to interpretation, and doesn't answers very many of the questions it raises.

I can understand why some see BLADE RUNNER as a sort of failed action film which never quite comes together in a satisfactory way. Yet, at the same time, I don't quite agree with that assessment. I can't shake the vibe that it's almost deliberately obtuse in the way it presents its narrative. Like it doesn't want to spell anything out. That's part of what makes the film so strangely compelling and immersive. The viewer is thrust into that world, and is left grasping at all of the little nuances and clues sprinkled throughout. Trying to figure out what the film is saying and doing is a key part of the experience of watching it, I think.

While I respect the fact that Scott has made known his personal belief that Deckard is indeed a Replicant, I do object to his stating this as a cold, hard fact, and doing his level best to dispel any doubt. As I also noted in the "What disc..." thread, the ambiguity of it is what makes that idea work. It's stated in the Blu-Ray's special features that the possibility of Deckard-as-Replicant is "a brilliant question with a stupid answer", and I agree. Leaving the matter open to debate is what makes it compelling. The film becomes less interesting when there are concrete answers to the questions it poses. That's one of the reasons I'm worried about the sequel. Learning whether or not Deckard is a Replicant diminishes the original. Seeing what happened to Deckard and Rachael after they ran off diminishes the original. 

BLADE RUNNER is a totally one-of-a-kind film which can never be, er, replicated, and I have not been a fan of the notion of it being sequelized. We'll soon see how it goes, of course. I'm hoping for the best, but, given the track record of these sorts of sequels, my hopes aren't too high. 

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Stephen Churay
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I've been with you Greg. This movie has
kinda been off limits, as far as sequels
are concerned. But a few things lead me to
believe that it's ok to have some
expectation that this is going to pay off.

-The screenplay is written by the writer
of the original and Ridley Scott.

-while he has a limited filmography, the
director has yet to really have a miss.

-arguably the greatest cinematographer
working today is shooting the film.

-I have yet to read or see a bad review.
Many of the reviews I've seen are by
people who treat watching the original
film as a trip to Mecca.
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I've personally gone from absolutely dreading this sequel upon hearing it was being made to it being a must see on opening weekend film. I hope I'm not disappointed, but the reviews do indeed seem very positive and with all the other things Stephen mentioned going for it, it might be indeed the rare sequel that holds up to the original and expands its story. The prequel short films and trailers have got my excitement quite stoked. But then that happened with the last two Ridley Scott Alien films (if Prometheus counts as an Alien film) and both were deeply disappointing. 
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Greg Kirkman
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I have several interested parties who are wanting to see the film, so there's a pretty good chance I'll end up checking it out with them. I'll soon be watching the prequel short films to prepare myself.


Meanwhile, I'm still working my way through the amazing special features in the BR Blu-Ray set. One of the best Blu-Ray sets ever. The deleted scenes alone are one of the best special features I've ever seen--it's basically a condensed version of the film (in chonological order) that's composed entirely of deleted and alternate material, complete with opening credits, unused voiceover narration, and two different versions of the theatrical cut's happy ending.

The 3 1/2 hour DANGEROUS DAYS "making-of" documentary is also one of the best that's ever been done.

I've been having a blast jumping back into the BR rabbit hole. It's very easy to get totally immersed--lost, even--in the film and everything surrounding it. The cherry on top of this revisit would be the sequel actually being a good and worthy follow-up. 

Maybe this'll be the one decades-too-late sequel which doesn't totally embarrass or ruin a beloved Harrison Ford character. Can Deckard escapes the fates which befell Indiana Jones and Han Solo? 
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Shane Matlock
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Greg, you've made me want to dig back into my Blade Runner blu-ray box set. I can't believe I haven't watched all these great special features til now. 
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Oh, it's fantastic stuff. There are no less than four audio commentaries spread over the different versions of the film, as well as the 3 1/2 hour documentary, the hour of deleted scenes, and lots more goodies.

And, in my re-reading of FUTURE NOIR, I'm reminded just how involved Scott was in shaping the story and themes. He didn't just take a script and film it beautifully. It was a collaborative process which he injected a lot of ideas and themes into. 

I'm also reminded that the Deckard-as-Replicant concept was not something Scott tried to tack on, after the fact. Throughout production, he was trying to sneak little hints into the film. As noted, I'm not a fan of that question being definitely answered onscreen, but I do think that those who totally dismiss the idea are also dismissing something which was a deliberate and intentional subtext of the film that was built into it during its production. 


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Long before the whole 'Director's Cut'/Blade Runner is a masterpiece of the '90's, I used to think Deckard might (stress might) be a replicant based on one shot, and one shot only - the one where he is stood behind Rachel and has the red eye effect - an effect I only associated with known replicants apart from Deckard.

After thinking that through, I started to look for other hints, of which the happy ending does make it harder to find (especially the last nod of the head to Gaff's unicorn - is it 'I know you've been here and let us live' or is it 'he knows things about me'). But I didn't think it was a cut and dried case at all.
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Shane Matlock
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Saw it tonight. I have to say this sequel does the original justice and I wasn't disappointed at all. It is absolutely stunning in cinematography and soundtrack and the story it tells worked for me.This just topped Baby Driver as my favorite film of the year (so far). Of course, mileage may vary, but I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who loved the original. That said, I think people going in looking for a sci fi blockbuster are going to be deeply disappointed just as critics and viewers were by the original Blade Runner.
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Saw it. Loved it. Visually, it's one of
the most stunning films I've ever seen.

I absolutely will not talk about the
story. Even detailed character bios would
potentially spoil plot points.

I don't know if everybody is going to
enjoy it as much as I did. Some may hate
it. As a piece of art, as pure cinema, I
think it's a masterpiece. All I will say,
the story doesn't make the first movie
less of a film.
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There's a good chance I'll be seeing this, but it's gonna be a few days, at least. Glad you guys enjoyed it. That gives me hope!
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I saw it today and was very impressed. I was able to avoid in-depth reviews and spoilers, which really paid off for this film. Gosling is amazing, as usual. I'm not sure there's a more talented male actor working today. Villeneuve is now a must-see director for me. I like BLADE RUNNER a lot but wouldn't consider myself a super fan, so I look forward to seeing the opinions of the super fans and others.
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I've been thinking about this movie since I saw it. My god, it was such a beauty to behold and the story was surprisingly good too. And that soundtrack, just amazing. The story has plenty of twists and turns and it moves at the same pace as the original, which was so refreshing. It also does not crap all over the original or ruin the Deckard is/isn't a replicant debate. It also stands on its own as a film while being a love letter to the original movie. I can honestly say it's one of the greatest sequels I've ever seen. I want to go see it again! Might have to talk some friends into going with me this time as I went on my own opening night on a spur of the moment decision. I honestly can't believe they pulled off such a great sequel to such a beloved film, while making the sequel a great film in its own right.

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