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John Byrne

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Posted: 01 October 2017 at 11:36am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Sort of intrigued by this one. But the IMDb has this to say:

"The series is influenced by Peter David's X-Men comic "X-Factor", where the X-Men formed an agency to investigate mutant-related incidents."

Uhm, isn't that how the X-Men started out?

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Adam Schulman
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Posted: 01 October 2017 at 2:22pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

PAD's X-Factor was explicitly a detective agency, led by Multiple Man.




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Michael Roberts
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PAD's X-Factor was explicitly a detective agency, led by Multiple Man.

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That was his second run. In his first run, X-Factor was a government team led by Havok and Polaris. Polaris as a main character seems to be the only commonality between X-Factor and THE GIFTED.
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Michael Hogan
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Posted: 01 October 2017 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

X-FACTOR was originally the regrouping of the original five X-Men who
operated under the guise of a comapny dealing with mutants.
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FACTOR was originally the regrouping of the original five X-Men who 
operated under the guise of a comapny dealing with mutants.
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...which is what they originally did as X-Men!
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Eric Smearman
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The original X-FACTOR posed as a sort of “mutant Ghostbusters”.
They had a GB-esque commercial, for Pete’s sake! I bought that first
issue, read it, rolled my eyes and never bought it again until the
beginning of the Peter David/Larry Stroman run.
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Adam Schulman
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Posted: 01 October 2017 at 6:35pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

The Bob Layton-era X-FACTOR was awful. Terrible premise. Lousie and Walter Simonson did the best they could to move away from it ASAP. 

BTW, I never had a problem with bringing back Jean Grey. It just should've been done maybe a year later than it happened, so that Marvel editorial could force Chris Claremont to write Rachel Summers out of UNCANNY X-MEN permanently (or as permanent as anything can get in superhero comics -- I'm sure she would've showed up again years later regardless). 
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I have a strong sentimental attachment to the Louise Simonson X-Factor run, as it was the first X-title I collected and led to my ongoing preference for the original five X-Men. But looking back, a lot of the baggage she was left with to sort through, like the "mutant ghostbusters", was really dumb. The big mutant crossovers at the time allowed those elements to linger longer than they should have. 
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John Byrne

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FACTOR was originally the regrouping of the original five X-Men who operated under the guise of a comapny dealing with mutants.

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...which is what they originally did as X-Men!

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Precisely. Xavier created the X-Men as part haven, part police force. Their "job" was to seek out "new mutants" and offer aid -- or containment!

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Michael Penn
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Posted: 02 October 2017 at 7:24am | IP Logged | 10 post reply


 QUOTE:
...part police force.

I wish that the X-Men story could have to a significant degree stopped at issue #2, with Prof. Xavier working with FBI Agent Duncan.


Edited by Michael Penn on 02 October 2017 at 7:24am
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John Byrne

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In the face of fears about mutants, Xavier created the X-Men to be the public face of the problem. To be the prominent and visible "good mutants".

He was FDR to Magneto's Hitler.

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Precisely. Xavier created the X-Men as part haven, part police force. Their "job" was to seek out "new mutants" and offer aid -- or containment!
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Yep. This is what made the X-Men unique. The Avengers and the Fantastic Four would deal with whatever super-villains and world-ending threats came along. The X-Men were a team of mutants specifically created to deal with mutants. 

They were specialists, not "general practitioner" superheroes.
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John Byrne

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(Somewhat off topic -- During the time I was working on SHE-HULK there was yet another flurry of agitation in the Press over the treatment of women in comics. One female reporter confronted me, over the phone, with the first issue cover. She was appalled by She-Hulk's threat to rip up the X-Men comics of those who did not buy the series. Seems she'd not heard the X-Men, and took it to be some kind of sexual reference.

(Times change!)

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Posted: 02 October 2017 at 3:45pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

They were specialists, not "general practitioner" superheroes.

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They should have always been, I agree. But didn't they stray from this idea pretty early on? And I don't mean fighting characters who were connected to Xavier in some way, like Lucifer or Juggernaut. Eventually they were fighting characters like the Stranger, Count Nefaria, the Cobalt Man -- not mutant, not related to Xavier or any other X-Man, not responsible for Xavier's disability, nothing like that.  
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Kevin Brown
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Posted: 04 October 2017 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

I watched this..... and I was less than impressed.  Unless you're a hardcore Marvel fan, a lot of the show will go over your head in terms of who the characters are and their powers.
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Joe Zhang
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Posted: 04 October 2017 at 7:10pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

For me, the whole "government is our enemy" thing has gotten really old. In the superhero genre they are boring bad guys with no personalities. I hope THE GIFTED comes up with more interesting adversaries. 
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 04 October 2017 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

I liked the Coby Bell character (lead Sentinel agent), he's got a little extra heart. 

Yeah, it's an insiders show. I'll try to catch the next episode.  
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Sergio Saavedra
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Posted: 05 October 2017 at 5:06am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

I enjoyed the episode. I didn't have the feeling that I was watching a Marvel's X-men story, but anyway I think the episode was good in its own right.
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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 09 October 2017 at 12:52am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Good show, but I wonder if there's any rhyme or reason to how Singer places the classic characters.  Cyclops was in the 2000's, his brother Havok ended up in the 80's, now Havok's love Polaris shows up here, in 2017 I assume, as a young woman.

Don't get me started on how there's been at least three different Angel characters in the movies so far.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 09 October 2017 at 6:28am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Good show, but I wonder if there's any rhyme or reason to how Singer places the classic characters. Cyclops was in the 2000's, his brother Havok ended up in the 80's, now Havok's love Polaris shows up here, in 2017 I assume, as a young woman.

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So I guess I won't be watching after all. The appeal was minimal X-Men connection, so little to screw up.

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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 09 October 2017 at 9:07am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

The X-Men were mentioned more than once (thus separating this show from the "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." reality) but the only ones I thought I recognized were Polaris, Thunderbird, and Blink.

Still, Blink means this ties into "Days of Future Past", so... yes, that hardly counts as minimal.

For m'self, the show is on my usual four episode trial. New shows get four episodes. If they don't have me interested enough by then... well, I'm old*, so my time is valuable. I don't have all that much to waste.

*Not chronologically, no. But I can feel the end of the line coming... :)
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 09 October 2017 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

It was ok! I liked the Stan cameo,and the ringtone that
was a tribute to a certain 90`s cartoon.
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Bob Harvey
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Posted: 10 October 2017 at 10:04am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

This show is awful. Writing, direction, acting are all very poor.

At this point, wouldn't it be more interesting to explore a world in which people were more (but not totally) open to the idea of mutants, having gradually grown accustomed to them? If the idea was always to parallel the black/gay/minority experience, isn't that concept more timely?
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Shane Matlock
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Posted: 11 October 2017 at 1:32am | IP Logged | 24 post reply

I've been meaning to check this one out, but judging by the reactions here not sure I should. I was really impressed with Legion but the creator of that was the acclaimed creator of Fargo, one of my favorite shows, and that show took some risks and really pushed the envelope of what a superhero show can do. This seems like some teeny bopper crapola based on what I've read. 
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Bob Harvey
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Posted: 11 October 2017 at 6:10am | IP Logged | 25 post reply

Yeah, this is much similar to the CW super-hero shows in tone. About a million miles from Legion.
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