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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 18 March 2018 at 10:36am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

STAR TREK historian Larry Nemecek does a podcast which examines previously unseen documents from Gene Roddenberry's personal files.

I recently learnt of Paramount's original plan for TNG.

The show would have been set on a cadet ship called the USS Odyssey. Set immediately after a war with the Klingons, it'd have featured a Vulcan captain in the pilot; however, he'd have died but lived on as a hologram, passing wisdom on to the crew. The crew would have also included a Klingon as there'd have been a peace treaty.

I can't say it would have appealed to me.

Thoughts?


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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 18 March 2018 at 11:06am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

You can read the documents here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FolLXCKtHeTvbkGnJ5dyjmH60KK Qb9HE/view
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Brian Hague
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Posted: 18 March 2018 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I see Kurt Russell in the role of Captain Rhon...

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Rob Ocelot
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Some of it is interesting, considering the proposal was written while STAR TREK was in the middle film of a trilogy on the big screen.

The disposition and motivations of the Romulans is pretty much carried over into the TNG we saw on screen.   Clearly they intended to have a Klingon serving on a Federation starship from the get-go as well.  Straight up totally logical Vulcans are a bit boring but Data is pretty much based on that same template so I can forgive that sin.

Other aspects make me want to bury my face in my palm.  The repeated insistence that female bridge officers be "attractive" and "beautiful" just smacks of a creepy 'casting couch' type of setup.   Even the TNG we eventually got to see has things of this ilk -- the 'all nude' Betazoid weddings as a carryover from the 'sexually superior' Deltans, for example.   Gene's fetishes were always in plain sight.

There's the RED DWARF-esque aspects which are a bit of a conundrum.   While RD premiered in 1988 it was given the green light for production in 1986, right when this TNG proposal was written.   The RD pilot script was written in 1983 and the concept was heavily shopped around for a few years, so it was definitely 'out there'.   Mind you, the concept of a character dying in the first episode/pilot and being resurrected as a machine/simulation is somewhat of a trope (shades of MY MOTHER THE CAR and MAX HEADROOM).  Even DISCOVERY drank from that well a bit.

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Michael Roberts
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I see Kurt Russell in the role of Captain Rhon...

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It took me until the third readthrough to get this. 
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Ted Downum
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I see Kurt Russell in the role of Captain Rhon...

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It took me until the third readthrough to get this. 

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"Klingons are easy to deal with. It's the Cuban cops you gotta worry about."
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Ted Downum
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The proposal doesn't sound like the basis of a very interesting show. The characters are mostly TOS retreads (the doctor joined Starfleet after a divorce! The engineer is a salty wizard!), and the orphan-surrogate father/living guy-wise hologram relationship of Kincaid and Rhon is more than a little redolent of Skywalker and Kenobi.

And those names. Brik? Mynk?

I do wonder, after reading that, if Star Trek: The Next Generation was the studio's title or Gene Roddenberry's. I'd always assumed the latter, but maybe not.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 19 March 2018 at 9:27am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Not even a correct use of "generation".
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Robbie Parry
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And those names. Brik? Mynk?

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They sound like ships from Manta Force or Starcom. Or undercard wrestlers.
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Brian Hague
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Posted: 19 March 2018 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Michael Roberts wrote, "It took me until the third readthrough to get this."

You don't think it was too Overboard, do you? :-)

Somewhat related: Big Tribble In Little China.


Ted, well-quoted, sir! My hat's off to you.

More on topic: I wonder if this concept wasn't originally one of the "Starfleet Academy" ideas floating around at various times. The idea of the pre-recorded playback messages from the holographic captain sounds extremely awkward. "Captain, the other ship has managed to program a fundamentally untrue presumption into the Odyssey's logic systems! We require your advice!"

"My children... Long have the Kryptoni-- your pardon, Vulcanian Elders sought to find ways of dealing with the troubling issue of... (working... working... Information loading...) deception. Verily, it is written upon the ancient scrolls of my people... "Do not take... any wooden nickels..." I hope this may be of use to you. Good luck, my children. And godspeed..."

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