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Rick Whiting
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| Posted: 24 September 2018 at 6:13pm | IP Logged | 1
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Chronological adults, anyway. Intellectually still juvenile enough to be excited by Bruce Wayne’s wienie.
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Sadly, this is true. Even sadder, DC and Marvel are more than happy to cater to that selfish shrinking niche audience.
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Joe Zhang
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| Posted: 24 September 2018 at 6:38pm | IP Logged | 2
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Robbie, I suggest you change the title of this thread to Batman: a Porn Character? ;)
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Greg Kirkman
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| Posted: 24 September 2018 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | 3
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Robbie, I suggest you change the title of this thread to Batman: a Porn Character? ;) +++++++
How about “‘Lil Wayne Unmasked”?
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Greg Kirkman
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| Posted: 24 September 2018 at 8:50pm | IP Logged | 4
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I'm reading the book WEBSLINGER, which contains essays about Spider-Man.
Darren Hudson Hick, a Ph.D student in philosophy at the University of Maryland (the book was published in 2006), writes the first chapter, discussing whether Spider-Man is a horror character. I can't obviously share every word, but this caught my eye: +++++++++
Question: Would you say the book is worth checking out, Robbie? I’ve had my eye on it for some time. I enjoy critical analyses of comic characters, but I’d like an informed opinion before I seriously consider seeking it out.
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Robbie Parry
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| Posted: 25 September 2018 at 2:26am | IP Logged | 5
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I would say so, yes. Definitely.
Each of the essays are interesting. There's one that picks apart Raimi's film, the arguments being that no deep connection was established between Ben and Peter, it made no sense to deprive us of mechanical webshooters, and that Peter stepping aside for a gunman who ripped off that wrestling promoter made sense, given the promoter had ripped of Parker (it doesn't change the guilt over Ben, but if a person ripped us off financially, wouldn't we be tempted to step aside if someone robbed them?).
Have a browse via "Look inside..." (Amazon) if you wish, to get a feel for what each essay is about, but it's been thought-provoking so far.
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Joe Zhang
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"How about “‘Lil Wayne Unmasked”? "
And the sequel, Dark Wayne Rises.
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Joe S. Walker
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These days cultural commentators are usually more interested in the subtext than the actual text they're talking about - or as in this case, so bent on finding an original subtext that they hardly bother with the text at all.
Edited by Joe S. Walker on 25 September 2018 at 5:56am
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Greg Kirkman
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| Posted: 25 September 2018 at 8:27am | IP Logged | 8
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These days cultural commentators are usually more interested in the subtext than the actual text they're talking about - or as in this case, so bent on finding an original subtext that they hardly bother with the text at all.
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That’s what I was thinking of when I asked Robbie about the book. I’m much less interested in people reading a bunch of subtext that’s not even there, or taking great leaps in logic to craft an analysis of a narrative which was never even intended by the original writers. That sort of thing can be entertaining, in small doses, but I’d rather not read entire essays based on ideas which are actually longshots at best, and lame conspiracy theories at worst.
A classic (and somewhat extreme) example would be Fredric Wertham’s “evidence” that Batman and Robin are actually Gay, a subtext which was surely never intended by anyone working on the Batman books, during that period.
Edited by Greg Kirkman on 25 September 2018 at 9:51am
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 25 September 2018 at 9:04am | IP Logged | 9
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This is what happens when adult sensibilities are forced into products intended for juvenile audiences. When I started reading Batman’s adventures when I was six, the dynamics of his relationship with Robin were obvious: Bruce was the Best. Dad. Ever.
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Peter Martin
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if a person ripped us off financially, wouldn't we be tempted to step aside if someone robbed them?-------------------------------- I think this is fine in the film. Both AF15 and the film basically present the same fundamental points in this part. Morally, Spider-Man should have stopped the gunman in either case, but didn't because it was personally expedient to not bother. That you or I might be tempted to also step aside is the whole point -- I would be tempted to not tangle with a gunman full stop. But Spider-Man has great power etc and the origin tale is about him learning to be better than you or me.
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Robbie Parry
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| Posted: 25 September 2018 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 11
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You've convinced me, Peter! :-)
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 25 September 2018 at 9:30am | IP Logged | 12
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I think this is fine in the film. Both AF15 and the film basically present the same fundamental points in this part. Morally, Spider-Man should have stopped the gunman in either case, but didn't because it was personally expedient to not bother. That you or I might be tempted to also step aside is the whole point -- I would be tempted to not tangle with a gunman full stop. But Spider-Man has great power etc and the origin tale is about him learning to be better than you or me.••• How can I phrase this? YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG. In Stan and Steve’s version, Peter doesn’t stop the burglar because he’s too full of himself and his celebrity. He’s an ass, and Uncle Ben dies as a direct consequence. In the movie, he’s provided an “excuse” not to stop the burglar. Sure, two wrongs don’t make a right, but there are TWO wrongs. Peter has a way to dodge his responsibility. “It’s not my fault! If that guy had paid me what I was owed, Uncle Ben would still be alive!”
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