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Steve De Young
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Posted: 21 August 2019 at 11:38am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Suffice to say, if it was like that, why did Sony agree to let Disney get involved at all in the first place?
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Because it wasn't like that in the first place.  It is like that in the current negotiations concerning the 3rd solo movie.  When Homecoming was released, there was a considerable amount of risk after the declining performance of the previous Spider-Man movies.  In the old deal, almost all of that risk was taken by Sony.  And it paid off in a big way.

The situation now is very different than it was several years ago.  Now we have two Spider-Man movies that were massive successes.  I don't think anyone can reasonably argue, based on their performance, that the third movie, if done in collaboration with Sony and Disney, would be a 'gamble'.  It's looking much more like a sure thing.  So Disney saying, "Hey, we'll take half the risk...." can't be taken very seriously as an offer on the table. 

Again, I see Disney's point.  Sony profited from the previous deal much much more than Disney did.  Now that its time to renegotiate, of course, they want to balance that out more.

But I also see that Sony isn't stupid.  The next movie isn't going to be ASM 3.  The next movie is going to be Tom Holland Spidey 3.  And they're doing the math.

Let's say they do the movie with Disney, and the profits are $800 million.  Sony gets $400 million.  Now let's say Sony makes it by themselves, it doesn't do nearly as well, and profits are $500 million which go entirely to Sony.  Sony still comes out ahead on doing it solo with a fraction of the box office.
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David Allen Perrin
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Posted: 21 August 2019 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I hear Tom Holland is contracted to Marvel Studios and not Sony.   Can anyone confirm this?

Also....it looks like Tom Holland has ‘unfollowed’ Sony on his Instagram.  That may not seem like a big deal to some (older) folks...but in this modern world thats akin to telling someone in no uncertain terms to “f#ck right off!”

If Tom Holland isn’t fully contractually obligated to the upcoming Sony Spider-Man movies....what was the point of doing this at all?  

Also....Jon Watts is NOT signed for another Spider-Man movie as of yet with anyone.   If Sony wants to keep the Spider-Man train rolling they had better have the key elements in place for the next installment.  



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Peter Martin
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Posted: 21 August 2019 at 7:51pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Disney's lawyers will be working overtime to find a way to render the licensing agreement null and void. I do find it bizarre that these licensing agreements seemingly endure forever.
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Tim O Neill
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Posted: 21 August 2019 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply


Taking Kevin Feige out of the mix is a big mistake - he has proven to have
respect for the source material while still adapting to modern audiences. I
really feel he listens to the fans and tries to both give us what we want while
also challenging us to move try new interpretations - FAR FROM HOME is a
great example of this. Spider-Man should appeal to younger audiences while
still being interesting to the older crowd.

Every studio loves the idea of an interconnected franchise, but it's not easy to
pull off. Even Star Wars is stumbling. Feige stands on the shoulders of giants
by having vast source material, but how he has interpreted it for the screen is
masterful. Sony has their head up their ass on this one.

I really did love INTO THE SPIDER VERSE, so maybe that is their best bet to
move forward. A shame as I really wanted Tom Holland to be in the future
MCU movies.


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David Miller
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Posted: 21 August 2019 at 11:43pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I imagine this will play out with the next Spider-movie making a metric kilofuckton at the box office, yet still "underperforming" in a career-ending way for certain Sony execs by failing to exceed $1 billion, while  Hollywood at large blames marketing and "spandex fatigue." 
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Doug Jones
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Posted: 21 August 2019 at 11:55pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

DAVID: Also....Jon Watts is NOT signed for another Spider-Man movie as of yet with anyone. 

"Jon? I've got Kevin on Line 1, and he sounds a bit rushed.

Something about mutants and cosmic rays..."
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David Allen Perrin
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Posted: 22 August 2019 at 7:09am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

@Doug...

Yup.   Smart play.

The future availability of Tom Holland and Jon Watt is in question.....



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Joseph Greathouse
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Posted: 22 August 2019 at 7:42am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

"Let's say they do the movie with Disney, and the profits are $800 million.  Sony gets $400 million.  Now let's say Sony makes it by themselves, it doesn't do nearly as well, and profits are $500 million which go entirely to Sony.  Sony still comes out ahead on doing it solo with a fraction of the box office"

Don't forget, Don't would also get all of the merchandise profits, which were previously going to Disney. Sony will definitely end up ahead.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 22 August 2019 at 8:18am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

David, if that plays out, Sony’s dead in the water. 
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Joe Zhang
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 22 August 2019 at 9:35am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Don't forget, Don't [sic] would also get all of the merchandise profits, which were previously going to Disney. Sony will definitely end up ahead.
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Sony won't be getting any of the merchandise profits. The existing deal is Disney gets 5% of first-dollar gross and all merchandising revenue.

From multiple Disney reports this is clear. "Under the licensing arrangement for Spider-Man, the Company [i.e. Disney] pays the third-party studio a licensing fee based on each film’s box office receipts, subject to specified limits. Under the licensing arrangements for The
Fantastic Four and X-Men, the third-party studio pays the Company a licensing fee, and the third-party studio receives a share
of the Company’s merchandise revenue on these properties."
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John Byrne

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Posted: 22 August 2019 at 9:57am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Sad, really, that we even know any of this. Or feel we need to.
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