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Steven Queen
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Posted: 30 July 2020 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

@Rebecca: I agree on all points.

Edited by Steven Queen on 30 July 2020 at 1:09pm
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 30 July 2020 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

As well as the powers mentioned, Professor X can stun people with 'psi-bolts' and Claremont had him boost other mutant's powers a few times.


As for Dark Phoenix's cruelty... I think she wants to kill people, but it's Jean that won't let her.
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James Johnson
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Posted: 30 July 2020 at 1:34pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

PIXIE

They just can't help themselves, can they?

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What the hell did I just read?

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Tim O Neill
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Posted: 30 July 2020 at 5:07pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply



Incredible issue - thank you so much for this, JB!! I'm such a fan of Cyclops
that is amazing to see him in action.





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Tom Perkowitz
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Posted: 31 July 2020 at 5:42am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I am sure this must have come up before, but for the life of me, I can't find where:

JB,
How about covers for each issue or at least one cover for the entire collection?
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John Byrne

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Posted: 31 July 2020 at 6:00am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I like that I can see a trace of 'Slim' Summers in Cyclops. I mean as opposed to someone with tree trunk thick neck and thighs. His face should be longish just like that!

When I took on X-MEN, I wanted to slim down Cyclops to Neal Adams proportions, but I was instructed by Shooter to draw him big and muscular. "Make him look like a leader!"

Cut to a few years later, and he wanted Cyclops to again be "Slim" Summers in X-FACTOR.

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Steven Queen
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Posted: 31 July 2020 at 6:45am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I think it's a universal axiom that a bad boss can make you hate even the best jobs.
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Michael Penn
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Posted: 31 July 2020 at 7:01am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Besides the simple virtue of hewing closely to the Kirby-
Lee original Cyclops, isn't he just that much more
impressive when he's rendered as "Slim" and yet his beams
can bring down a freakin' BUILDING...?

(I sorely miss the days when Cyclops was considered --
Prof. X aside -- the most powerful X-Man!)
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John Byrne

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Posted: 31 July 2020 at 7:07am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

The history of Marvel is a history of ever-increasing sameness.

It's sad to say it, but even in the Stan/Jack/Steve days we saw the characters become more muscular, more conventionally handsome. John Romita Sr has been cited as making Peter Parker much better looking, for instance, but he was following Ditko's lead. Johnny Storm grew taller and more robust. Even the Thing got bigger.

Look to a few decades later, and a virtual tidal wave of cookie-cutter artists fill the pages of Marvel books with male and female characters who seem to have only two basic models--excluding those who are deliberately grotesque.

And, of course, when these artists become enormously successful, financially, there's really no incentive for anyone to do anything else.

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Steven Queen
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Posted: 31 July 2020 at 7:25am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Was there editorial pressure for sameness of physique, or was it artist short-comings in play (i.e. I can only draw people one way)?

...or, did Peter just "bulk up" by saving the world 24/7? :)
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John Byrne

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Posted: 31 July 2020 at 7:39am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Yes.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 31 July 2020 at 8:33am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

There are "hot" artists who couldn't draw two people drinking coffee and talking in a diner. They never learned the basics of how to draw ordinary people in clothing that isn't skintight, over absurdly overdeveloped physiques.

As a result, lots of comics are far less visually interesting these days-- even the ones packed with explosions, fistfights, and leviathanic alien menaces filling the sky.
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