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John Byrne

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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 7:35am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Spider-Man is the best Spider-Man, Nightcrawler is the best Nightcrawler.

Itís very close to apples and oranges. Altho they have certain skills in common, there is much more that is different.

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Paul Wills
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 10:53am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Excellent page as usual. 15 people (not incl Spidey and Nightcrawler) in that last panel - and even though they're small, each with distinct shapes and attire. JB is definitely not a lazy artist
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Michael Genitempo
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 11:02am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

It's an interesting match-up.   Both are very agile.  Kurt has the teleport, but Spidey has his spider sense and a superhuman ability to dodge things.  Although, of course, this does not mean he never gets hit :-)

At the end of the day, though, I would think Spidey's super strength would usually give him the edge.  Perhaps we'll see in the next few pages...
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 11:22am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

What a fantastic look in on Nightcrawler! With some Spidey thrown in for fun!

Discussion: Page 3, panel 1 - I have never seen a better Spider-Man drawing. Or possibly I have, but I surely can't think of it right now.

I refuse to discuss who's going to win a fight in general. In this specific situation, it seems that Kurt is a little disoriented and handicapped - and when battling Spider-Man, you need to be at the top of your game.

I agree that Daredevil would probably end up losing, but no one mentioned the best choice. Who wins in a fight between Spider-Man and Captain America? Of course, the next question is WHY are they fighting? But I gotta take Cap.

Okay, I'll discuss it. As this is Kurt's "book", I think he takes down Spider-Man with a series of those rapid fire teleport/punch combinations, followed up with a few quick teleports of Spider-Man to disorient his Spider-sense. That's my opinion.

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Stťphane Garrelie
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 11:27am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Wonderful art.
I hope everything will be well on the health level.


Edited by Stťphane Garrelie on 09 December 2020 at 11:27am
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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 11:46am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Nightcrawler needs to remember that he was once wrongly accused of murder when he first met Spider-Man, and give the guy a break. Maybe he's still woozy from his injuries? Cool to see the two together once again, in any event.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

The art is first rate. What an amazing first panel. To create such a sense of movement in a static image is a real gift. Bravo! Love the look on Nightcrawler's face as well and Spider-Man's dialogue. Always cool to get a different look at a super heroe's power in use and we have that here in that depiction of Nightcrawler teleporting. The instantaneous nature of Nightcrawler's power is one of those things that is a difficult to portray, I imagine, in a sequential medium.

Another great close-up on Spider-Man's face in that final panel.
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Jim Petersman
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 12:20pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I'm loving the teleportation effect of just the outline of Nightcrawler! Not sure that I've ever seen that before.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Iíve done it before. Donít know about anybody else.
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Paul Go
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Yeah, that teleportation effect was great.  I don't recall anyone else doing it from the artists I'm familiar with.

"He's really got his lederhosen in a twist!" is such a Spider-Man thing to say. It's great when a character is nailed with so little.
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 12:51pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

JB you are at your artistic peak! This is simply fantastic.
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Joe Smith
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Posted: 09 December 2020 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

JB is now the Greatest Spider-Man artist of all time. I feel the gravity.
Iíve always loved his take, but, thereís no denying the iconic look of the
character on these last few pages. Itís like JLGL with Superman; you
just recognize. Bravo, JB.

Dig the way that teleport scene ends. We get transported to the
distance with Spider-Man.

Classic writing, too. There has to be some kind of conflict to every story,
and these two having a moment of confusion would make for a good
cover! Just like the classic ASM on the Ferris Wheel!

Thank you JB! So much fun!
(Feel like Iím 14 and I just sent a letter to Fantasic Forum!)
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