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John Byrne
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Posted: 24 July 2020 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 1
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Chicago Mayor Removes StatueThe man whose name wasn’t even Christopher Columbus is finally being seen for what he really was—and what he really was was not very nice. There is a select group of historical figures who have come down to us almost entirely as myth, and “Columbus” was one of them. Virtually nothing for which he is credited he actually did, and the mythmaking has proven so strong that even the man who actually did much of what Columbus is lauded for, was accused of stealing credit from his boss, mostly because people didn’t understand what a “navigator” was.
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Wilson Mui Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 July 2020 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | 2
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I'm embarrassed to say I did not know any of this history. It was definitely not taught when I went to school. (My daughter knew it when I asked her though.) They should take down the statue in NYC also.
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Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 July 2020 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | 3
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But...if it wasn't for Columbus the world would still be flat!
At least, I think that's what I was taught....
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 July 2020 at 8:10pm | IP Logged | 4
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When I was in school, we were taught that Columbus proved the world was round and discovered America. Even as a wee lad, I didn’t understand how a person could be said to have discovered a place already populated by others, but was chastised for daring to ask,
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Christopher Frost Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 July 2020 at 8:40pm | IP Logged | 5
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Does this mean that Columbus, Ohio is going to be next on the hitlist?
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Wilson Mui Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 July 2020 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | 6
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Yes, it's got to go.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 July 2020 at 10:13pm | IP Logged | 7
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Does this mean that Columbus, Ohio is going to be next on the hitlist?
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Do you mean Flavortown?
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 July 2020 at 10:36pm | IP Logged | 8
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As a former longtime resident, I'm in favor of Blank, Ohio. Why replace one lie with another?
Edited by Joe Zhang on 24 July 2020 at 10:46pm
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Carlos Velasco Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 July 2020 at 3:18am | IP Logged | 9
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Here in Spain, most of the media (all conservative media and all moderate left media) is spitting out articles about how wrong it is to remove Columbus statues.
The guy was Italian, but Castile (what later became Spain) organized all his trips. So here he is considered as part of our culture and usually regarded with pride.
This is just another example of how human culture looks at the past too much except for a little detail called learning lessons (world pandemics, stock market crashes...).
Edited by Carlos Velasco on 25 July 2020 at 3:22am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 25 July 2020 at 5:41am | IP Logged | 10
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When I was in school, we were taught that Columbus proved the world was round and discovered America. •• My fourth grade teacher, Miss McCue, taught us the "official line", including the "proved the World was round" bit. But she added her own twist, a little contempt for the people of the Past who did not take into account how ships sailing past the horizon seemed to sink into the ocean (and rise up on the return voyage). That could only happen if the World was round! At no point did anyone mention the fact that the spherical nature of the Earth had been long understood, by cultures all around the World, and what Columbus was claiming was that the planet was SMALLER than had been calculated. This is what would make sailing West to the Far East possible. He was wrong, of course, and in fact had cooked the books to come up with his figures. If North and South America hadn't been there, he and his crew would have been in big trouble!
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Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 July 2020 at 6:32am | IP Logged | 11
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The lies about history in the case of Columbus are of the same ilk as the lies about the history of the Confederacy. People say these statues help us remember history, and yet anyone who studies actual history can figure out the statues are present as propaganda to promote an alternate history.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 25 July 2020 at 6:42am | IP Logged | 12
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History, someone said, is lies that have been agreed upon.It seems we are passing thru a time in which people are finally coming to realize this--sometimes violently. The important thing to remember now is that two wrongs don't make a right.
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