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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 7:36am | IP Logged | 1
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I believe global warming is real and as much as some want to deny it, it is showing itself to us. People that have some how decided science is just a fools errand, will always bring up the old "so gotta love global warming" when we have unusually cold day during summer.
Many, many years ago I went to a lecture where a climatologist explained what global warming was and what will happen if we did not do something to prevent it. That there was a tipping point. I wish I had a more refined term to describe how I felt after the lecture, but what that man said, it scared the crap out of me. He explained that global warming was not just the planet merely getting a few degrees warmer, it meant that not only will the planet keep getting hotter, the weather will have extreme changes. That the normal gradual changing of weather will not be there, but in it's place, unpredicted swings that could devastate our world.
We could have snow in July and record heat in the winter. That the normal weather patterns will be gone and off the charts weather events will be in it's place. And if this happens, it will be difficult for the human race to survive.
Entombed in Snow: Up to 100,000 Cattle Perished Where They Stood in Rogue South Dakota Blizzard
What is your take on global warming? Have we gone over the tipping point?
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Kevin Brown
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 7:50am | IP Logged | 2
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First of all, let's accurately call it what it is: Climate shift. And it's a real thing. It's happened before many times and it usually last tens of thousands of years. Most important of all, there is nothing we can do to prevent it. It's the natural course of things on our planet. We either adapt or die. Be that as it may, this is something we do not need to worry about at this time. The weather may be getting worse as we perceive it, but we also tend to live in areas where we put ourselves at risk. (Coastlines, over fault lines, etc.) Regardless of how it looks in the movies or how scientists describe it, we do have a few hundred years before there's a real problem. This, however, may be the least of our concerns if we have to deal with a geomagnetic storm from overactive sunspot activity. (Do some research about the solar storm of 1859.) It would be like the TV show REVOLUTION come to life. THAT is something we need to really focus on, because that can happen at any time and it would be devestating to everyone on Earth.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 7:53am | IP Logged | 3
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Global warming -- or, more correctly, climate change -- is definitely real, and has been a part of the landscape of the Earth's ecology since the planet first grew an atmosphere. Which is one of the reasons I do feel, based on what I have read, that the "tipping point" has come and gone, and whatever is ahead of us is not something we can change. Welcome to the Future.
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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 7:58am | IP Logged | 4
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Thanks Obama!!!! LOL
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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 8:02am | IP Logged | 5
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OK I did find the info Kevin and that is pretty scary stuff.
In 1859, such reports were mostly curiosities. But if something similar happened today, the world's high-tech infrastructure could grind to a halt. "What's at stake," the Space Weather Prediction Center's Bogdan said, "are the advanced technologies that underlie virtually every aspect of our lives."
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 15 October 2013 at 8:10am
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 8:13am | IP Logged | 6
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There was a "What If?" style documentary on TV a while ago, that took as its premise the idea that the Earth stopped turning. This happened slowly, over some 50 years, so there were no immediate, catastrophic physical effects to the planet -- but in the first moment that the planet begins to slow, all our communications satellites are screwed up, bringing chaos to the worldwide infrastructure. We are so dependent upon technology that it takes only the smallest "blip" to send out massive, destructive ripples.
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Gregory Friedman
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 8:27am | IP Logged | 7
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I believe global warming is real
That's nice. And I believe in the tooth fairy.
For all the science that says the new ice age, no wait global warming, no wait climate shift is real there is better science that says it's not. Except that stuff isn't featured on dopey TV shows or made into Rolland Emmerich flicks.
Global warming is literally the last thing on earth that I'm worried about. I'm more worried about powerful proponents of global warming who want to use that to advance shall we say questionable political objectives.
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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 8:28am | IP Logged | 8
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There was a "What If?" style documentary on TV a while ago, that took as its premise the idea that the Earth stopped turning. This happened slowly, over some 50 years, so there were no immediate, catastrophic physical effects to the planet -- but in the first moment that the planet begins to slow, all our communications satellites are screwed up, bringing chaos to the worldwide infrastructure. We are so dependent upon technology that it takes only the smallest "blip" to send out massive, destructive ripples.
Being in banking, I can not imagine how devastating it would be. It's a nightmare if we lose power for more than a few days. As we have become dependent on internet banking, I am not sure how we would be able to operate.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 15 October 2013 at 8:30am
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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 8:44am | IP Logged | 9
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Global warming is literally the last thing on earth that I'm worried about. I'm more worried about powerful proponents of global warming who want to use that to advance shall we say questionable political objectives.
Like a cleaner planet? Because of your line of thinking, we are not leading the way on alternative environmental technologies. And that is really sad.
But let's just think about this a minute. What if the proponents of global warming are wrong, what will happen? A cleaner environment that is not dependent on a finite fuel source? Now what if you are wrong?
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Richard Stevens
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 9:49am | IP Logged | 10
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Seriously. Even if there's no global warming, climate change, whatever… humankind is polluting things and it would be beneficial to stop doing that.
I agree that climate change is something to be concerned with, no matter what the reason is.
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DW Zomberg
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 10:06am | IP Logged | 11
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<And I believe in the tooth fairy.>
Your little joke doesn't seem too funny considering that the most strident opponents of climate change are often the same folks who think Noah's Ark is real and that a Jewish virgin gave birth to a man-god 2,000 years ago.
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Erin Anna Leach
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| Posted: 15 October 2013 at 10:22am | IP Logged | 12
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Well I know that many scientist do believe that climate change is man made. Whether it is or not, I am all for using cleaner energy. The burning of fossil fuels does produce pollution, that is a fact. This can be done now, we do have the technology. In Arizona there is a coal fire power plant that is piping all of their polluting exhaust through water and green algea. The result of this is 0 carbon emissions as the green algea eats all the pullution and releases good things like oxygen and nitrogen. This method was cheaper than the power plant trying to come up with some new gadget, or buying one, to reduce their carbon emissions. The used up green algea can then be used to make bio-fuel, and it can even make bio-degradable plastics that have no need of BPA. The plastics made from the green algea are also easier and cleaner to recycle. Industrial hemp can also make all of the things I listed above as well.
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