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Simon Matthew Park
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Posted: 22 February 2006 at 1:07am | IP Logged | 1  

Brian - Thanks for the link.

I meant no disrespect to Superman, or to JB! That's just an affectionate nickname. I take JB's point that the characters shouldn't be referred to in the stories as 'Supes' or 'Bats' by other characters, but that's just the way I express my own affection for the character. Growing up, I didn't know anyone else who read comics (or even many books, actually), so I guess I didn't see this as a mark of disrepect. I'll correct myself -

JB drawing and writing a comic depicting the adventures of Superman on Earth-2 would be a very exciting prospect indeed!

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James Henry
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Posted: 22 February 2006 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | 2  

Bringing us back to the original topic, it’s hard to believe that Cyclops ever really needed defending.  He was the first X-Man.  He is without a doubt the finest and longest-lasting leader of the team(s).  And, if not for Cyclops, who would end up with the hottest women in the X-Universe?

I wish I had a comparably provocative piece of original art with Jean Grey to showcase.  Perhaps someone else could help out?  Thanks to Jim Warden by the way for this magnificent piece of original art.

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Thanos Kollias
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Posted: 23 February 2006 at 1:46am | IP Logged | 3  

I don't want to rain on your parade, James, but....

....I HATE Cyclops and Emma Frost. It's unnatural, degrading, completely out of character, irritating and just WRONG. It's about 90% of the reasons why I hated Morrison's run* and the thing I hope Whedon corrects before he leaves the X-Men.

Scott should be with Jean, period. No Emmas, no Logans.

 

* It was beyond belief that EVERYONE who thought Cyclops was boring liked what Morrison did with the character. IMO, no writer has ever portrayed him more wrong than Morrison did.



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Gregg Allinson
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It was beyond belief that EVERYONE who thought Cyclops was boring liked what Morrison did with the character. IMO, no writer has ever portrayed him more wrong than Morrison did.

I agree, and I'm a huge Morrison fan.  From the moment he killed Ugly John on, Morrison's Cyclops was all wrong (I could see Cyclops killing Ugly John if Ugly John had begged him to, as an act of mercy, but Cyclops took it upon himself to perform that "act of mercy" without even consulting John first, which made it come off as cruel and very callous).

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Simon Matthew Park
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Thanos, Gregg - I'm with you two on this one.
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Michael Connell
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Posted: 23 February 2006 at 3:56am | IP Logged | 6  

If there is any mercy at Marvel it will be revealed that Emma has been fu%&ing with Scott's mind all along.
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Thanos Kollias
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Posted: 23 February 2006 at 7:11am | IP Logged | 7  

I hope that is the case, lame is it is, but so far we have seen that Phoenix made sure Scott fell in love with Emma in order to keep the X-Men alive and help make a better future (which is among the lamest things I have ever seen and definitely the lowest point in Morrison's run, lower even than Phoenix's death).

As far as Cyclops and his killing, that turned me off completely. Cyclops, who didn't kill Prof X even though he was begging him to, because he believed that as long as there is life there is hope, would never do that. Morrison's did -without remorse, without any discussion with anyone in the team (first time Cyclops actually took a human life)- which isn't Cyclops, but someone else.

What does it say for young people when the cool guy is the one who f@@@@ the beautiful villain, cheats on his wife and kills without remorse and not the one who is faithful and always strives to find the best solution no matter what?

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James Henry
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Posted: 23 February 2006 at 8:03am | IP Logged | 8  

Thanos Kollias said "I don't want to rain on your parade, James, but...."

I don't disagree with you.  Cyclops and Emma Frost together are wrong on so many levels.  Cyclops is my favorite X-Man and I don't like seeing his character bastardized the way it’s been of late.  That said, it will be interesting to see where the story takes us, particularly with Emma potentially showing her true colors in the Astonishing X-Men storyline. 

After 20+ years of reading the X-Men titles, I'm ok with watching these new and different sagas unfold, comfortable in the knowledge that everything will eventually be back to the way it should be.  Make no mistake, Jean will be back from the dead and back with Scott at some point.

Now, back to my original point.  I certainly wasn't advocating Scott and Emma's relationship as something good.  I was simply pointing out that Cyclops consistently finds himself with the hottest women that the Marvel Universe has to offer.  Jean Grey, Colleen Wing, Lee Forrester, Emma Frost...have I missed anyone?  This guy does as well as players like Matt Murdock and Hercules.



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Mike Sawin
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Ever since the X-Editors married him off, I've always thought that Scott Summers should be with Madeline Pryor.  Yes, Jean Grey is the love of his life, but this is Cyclops we're talking about here.

Mr. Responsibility.  Mr. Honor. 

As I've said many times over the years, Jean coming back would have complicated things, but the Scott Summers I grew up with would definitely "man up" and stand by his wife.  He would struggle with his marriage -- pehaps forever -- but he would never leave his his wife for another woman.  (Now, if she left him, he would fly as fast as he could to Jean Grey.)

And he certainly wouldn't have left his child.  Scott Summers isn't like that.  He would meet his obligations, he would stay true to the end.  He's like that, and until about 20 years ago, the writers knew that.

If I could turn back time, I would restore the heroism and altruism of Scott Summers, Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, Hank Pym and some of the rest of Marvel's heroes.  These were The Guys Everyone Looked Up To.  

They set the bar for others to emulate.  Not every hero has to be a Boy Scout, but there's not a damned thing wrong for some of them to be.  

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