| Author |
|
Robert Last
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 07 February 2006
Posts: 615
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | 1
|
|
|
I liked those parts of the movie too, Gregg, and also the way he stood up to Wolverine when every one else was nervous around the guy. Funny, I didn't put it together before. Both movies had their flaws, but I think I liked the movie Wolverine/Cyclops relationship more than the last few years in the comics!
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 137352
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 6:31pm | IP Logged | 2
|
|
|
In the earliest X-Men stories, Xavier did come off as a
bit severe. But I've always chalked that up to his
concern for mankind's future.(mutant & human) Add
to that the X-Men were all teen-agers and he was
their teacher and it makes sense.
****
He was probably over-compensating. You know,
what with being only 20 years old and all. . . .
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
Trevor Krysak
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 4187
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | 3
|
|
|
"He was probably over-compensating. You know,
what with being only 20 years old and all. . . ."
How quickly he grew up. It seems he's about doubled his age since the start of the series. But maybe that's just me.
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
Gregg Allinson
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 4251
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 6:44pm | IP Logged | 4
|
|
|
Cyclops fans must have an extra level of hate for the X-Men films. I can't believe how bad they made him look.
I was pissed when, in the second film, Cyclops essentially showed up for ten minutes and spent seven of them mind controlled. Ditto Xavier. For me- and I know this is a concept alien to anyone who started reading X-Men in the past few decades (and, apparently, Bryan Singer and company)- the heart and soul of the X-Men isn't Wolverine; it's the trio of Scott, Jean, and Xavier. Furthermore, if I had to pick one character out of those three that is the X-Men, it'd be Scott. Xavier is the man with the vision and the mentor, but as the team's field leader, Scott is the face of the X-Men. He's the one who has to represent the team and hold them together. At least in the original X-Men film, as Robert and I have said, he had some sort of personality and got at least a little screen time...
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
Rob Hewitt
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 11 May 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 10182
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | 5
|
|
|
Cyclops fans must have an extra level of hate for the X-Men films. I can't believe how bad they made him look.
***
I don't think they make him look bad, just he's not there. But when he is there, I think he is good.
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
e-mail
|
| |
Rob Hewitt
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 11 May 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 10182
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | 6
|
|
|
"He was probably over-compensating. You know,
what with being only 20 years old and all. . . ."
How quickly he grew up. It seems he's about doubled his age since the start of the series. But maybe that's just me.
***
By X-men # 12 he was a Korean War vet. Which would make him in his early 30s, minimum by the time of that story. Born around 1930-32
However in X-men #1 one, he says his mother worked on early A-bomb project-which would mean he was born around the early 1940s, making him about 20.
That was dropped pretty quickly, and he soon became older. Still, he does seem odd in the early days, and I'd say even beyond.
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
e-mail
|
| |
Andrew W. Farago
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 July 2005
Location: United States
Posts: 4075
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:06pm | IP Logged | 7
|
|
|
I think Alan Davis is spot-on in his assessment of
Cyclops. He's the one that bears all the burdens of
leadership, he's the one that gets things done, he's
the one that watches over everyone and the one that
takes every setback or loss on the team's part very,
very personally. Admirable character traits, for the
most part, but on the whole, he comes off as a bit
uptight.
Thing is, like Davis says, you NEED characters like
that. If everyone's suddenly as cool as Wolverine,
you've got a boring comic. Fonzie's not as cool
without Richie Cunningham hanging around, Han
Solo plays best off "squares" like Princess Leia and
Luke Skywalker, and Kramer wouldn't have caught
on if the rest of Seinfeld's supporting cast was
populated by quirky oddballs.
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
| www
e-mail
|
| |
Cully Hamner
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 July 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 141
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | 8
|
|
|
He was probably over-compensating. You know,
what with being only 20 years old and all. . . .
*****
You know, I've never been able to buy the whole "only twenty when he
started the X-Men" thing. I used to have this argument with a
writer I worked with, and he swore up and down that Xavier was only a
few years older than the X-Men themselves (who were teenagers).
If this has already been discussed somewhere, I apologize, but my whole
take was this:
Assuming that X-Men #1 took
place in the present (1963, in this case), and we know that Xavier
attended Oxford, was drafted and fought in Korea (which ended in 1953),
travelled the world for a while, and then returned home to
complete his education. He became a well-known psychologist and
geneticist (so we can assume that he earned two high-level degrees after returning
home-- genius or not, it would take a few years). Now, I know
that the bulk of this was retrofitted onto his character as the series
progressed, but the Korea bit alone puts him at 28-30 at least in X-Men #1, and with the education he had after his absence from the country, I don't think he could possibly have been younger than 35.
Again, apologies if I'm beating a dead horse...
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
| www
|
| |
Gregg Allinson
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 4251
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:51pm | IP Logged | 9
|
|
|
I thought JB was joking. At his very youngest, Xavier had to be in his 30s in X-Men #1. Personally, I always saw him as being in his early 40s or so.
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
Michael Connell
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 13 January 2006
Posts: 4024
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | 10
|
|
|
[sarcasm] A comic book character over 25?!? Perish forbid! [/sarcasm]
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
Lance Hill
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 22 April 2005
Posts: 991
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 8:27pm | IP Logged | 11
|
|
|
Didn't Xavier have a crush on Marvel Girl at one point?
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |
Michael Connell
Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 13 January 2006
Posts: 4024
|
| Posted: 16 February 2006 at 8:40pm | IP Logged | 12
|
|
|
That was hinted at in one panel in X-Men # 3, I don't believe it was ever touched on again.
|
| Back to Top |
profile
| search
|
| |