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Wallace Sellars
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I liked the pictures, origins and general abilities/powers information
provided about each character in the OHOTMU, but disliked the fact that
specifics about speed, strength, etc. were included. I could have also done
without some of the more extension scientific explanations provided as well.
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Robert White
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 6:36pm | IP Logged | 2  

Nowadays, I find the histories sections most useful.

I think the biggest problem, and the one that gets the most
"press", was the strength levels section. I see now that it
was indeed a big mistake in hanging specific numbers on
each character. What they listed fit with how creators had
portrayed the characters up till that point as far as where
each character fit on the scale, but going beyond a general
ranking wasn't the way to go.

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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | 3  

Loved all the pretty pictures of both OHOTMU and WHO'S WHO... all that miniscule text held my attention for about 2 minutes.

 

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Greg McPhee
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Both are great introductions to a multitude of characters.
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Paulo Pereira
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I remember reading every entry; this was before I started reading actual comic books.

Anyway, it's always fun to happen upon a comic book that contains the panels I first saw in OHOTMU.
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Chris Geary
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Absolutely loved OHOTMU.  I was just getting into comics at the time and had just started my quest to get in the biz so I got them purely from a reference point of view.  It was a good way to learn the history of the MU without having to track down hundreds of back issues.

Also made me interested in certain characters and sometimes would pick up a comic I normally wouldn't if there was someone that I'd only seen in the handbook that was on a cover.

Loved the technical drawings.  Not only because they made things seem 'real' but they were really well done.

It also introduced me to a lot of artists that I wouldn't have come across through normal collecting.  In the end, that is what I got most out of them.

Never really been a DC fan so I've not read the Who's Who.
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Tony Midyett
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I've been collecting OHOTMU and Who's Who from the beginning.  In fact, I have every issue of each volume---it's my official fanboy obsession! * :)   I've always preferred Marvel's version to DC's, tho.  The Who's Who guys must have read all those "pounds per square inch" and "watts per hour" entries in the very 1st edition of OHOTMU and said, "let's keep things vague", because they went to the other extreme, telling us practically nothing about the characters' powers.  Still, the artwork in Who's Who is often brilliant, especially JB's Superman family and Trek entries.

As a kid, the thing I liked best about OHOTMU was the strength listings, but they've kinda gotten away from those a bit in the last few years.  Sometimes they specify a characters' level, and sometimes they say something very broad, like "Class 25", which apparently describes a range of strength levels.  <shrug>  On the issue of strength, I sort of like the way Marvel established a bit of a "scale of 1 to 10" type of thing, with Spidey at "1" (lifting 10 tons), and Thor at "10" (ten times stronger, lifting 100 tons).  This gave us believable gradations in between, such as Scorpion at 15 tons, Mr. Hyde at 50, Colossus at 70, Ben Grimm at 85, etc.

As a kid, I was a sporadic reader of super-hero comics until about the age of 7, and just a few years later, OHOTMU and Who's Who came along, giving me lots of info on characters that I might otherwise never have been exposed to.  (Marvel's monthly reprints and DC's digests were invaluable, as well.)  I frequently cite the handbooks as making me into an official fan of comicdom's Big Two Universes.......and despite being disenchanted with the current status quos of both of these fictional realms, I still enjoy buying the new OHOTMUs (and Who's Who's offspring, "Secret Files & Origins").


* I'm a reeeeaaaallly nutty completist about this--I even have the handbooks on Conan, G.I.Joe, the Transformers, Impact Comics, Vetigo, etc.  Yikes!  ;)


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Brandon Pennison
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I really enjoyed OHOTMU for the drawings of the characters and it also gave me insight into some of the more obscure characters that I had never heard of before.  The pictures were way more entertaining for me than what was written about them, especially when I picked them up a child.  It showed me a lot of cool ideas for costumes on comic books that I was drawing too.....oh and the covers were done by JB!

I don't like the newer editions of OHOTMU at all.  Whatever magic they used to have is gone in the latest versions.  Plus the character models are terrible vs. the 80s versions. 

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Stephen Churay
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Still, the artwork in Who's Who is often brilliant, especially JB's Superman family and Trek entries.
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I agree Tony. There was one entry that had a drawing of Spock that JB did that was brilliant. Ever since then I wanted to see JB do Star Trek Comics. Almost 25 years later I get my wish.

BTW, I picked up the handbooks for G.I. Joe and Transformers as well. I also think that the Impact line would fair better today than when it was release.
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Robert Bradley
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I preferred OHOTMU myself, but you caan put me down as another fan of the art in Who's Who (Zoot Sputnik by Fred Hembeck?  Woo-hoo!).

 

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John Byrne

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Posted: 04 July 2010 at 9:10am | IP Logged | 11  

I've never been a fan of these types of books. I prefer to get my information from reading the stories rather than a D&D-like reference manual that categorically defines all powers using a rather arbitrary scale.

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Sadly, that was not what OHOTMU was originally intended to be.

As conceived, it was meant to be a quick reference guide, listing significant appearances (to make them easier to find, for research) and a synopsis of powers. Alas, very quickly it turned into a catalog of QUANTIFICATION, largely at Shooter's insistence (tho Mark Gruenwald was more than happy to go along!).

Shooter had grown increasingly displeased with the sometimes loosey-goosey approach to handling powers and limitations. Mostly it was just a few instances in which sloppy writing (especially from writer/editors) would confuse the issue, but Shooter liked grand, sweeping rules that covered EVERYBODY. So he pushed for precise defining AND limiting of the powers as described in OHOTMU. (WHO'S WHO, coming later, followed OHOTMU's pattern.)

Two things went very sour right away. First, Shooter used OHOTMU so slip in "stealth rewrites" of characters' origins, as when the first edition told us that Spider-Man's wall-climbing came from a "molecular interface", not from abilities he'd picked up from that spider bite. (Misinformed, Shooter thought spiders "stuck" to walls, with adhesive, and declared that "icky".) Second, when Mark could not find a previously published description of how powers worked, he made one up. Sometimes he also did that if he simply didn't LIKE the previous description. (Which is how Cyclops came to be "channeling" energy from a parallel dimension, rather than simply absorbing it from the Sun as had been stated in the X-Men's own book years earlier.)

As with so many things in comics -- a good idea that went bad very fast. (Largely due to it being an early warning sign of the Asylum being run by the inmates!)

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Robert Bradley
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Posted: 04 July 2010 at 9:20am | IP Logged | 12  

One thing I like about about the more recent editions of OHOTMU is that they include a lot more about the character's history, and spend a lot less time trying to explain where Iron Man found that hidden mallet head in Avengers #2.

I loved the original edition of the OHOTMU when it came out, but I can certainly see where the detractors think that Marvel would have been better served if they'd used some self-restraint in some areas.

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