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Terry Thielen Byrne Robotics Member
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I found this topic on Comicbookresources that recounts thoughts by Gail Simone (who does not understand why anyone would think he's boring) and gives snippets of other creators thoughts. I thought it was interesting. One guy says that he found that people in lower income areas really like Superman and people that are a bit more well-off didn't. So, I'm pretty sure most people on here know that Superman doesn't have to be boring, but does he end up that way? Do you have friends that think he's boring?
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
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He`s only as boring as (bad) writers make him.
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Terry Thielen Byrne Robotics Member
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| Posted: 07 December 2012 at 2:51pm | IP Logged | 3
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here is what Phil Jimenez (a nice guy I had the pleasure of sitting next to at a con a few years ago) is quoted as saying: I find most folks resent Superman for being so good; he remains a constant reminder of the lack of moral and ethical wherewithal of most consumers. He just doesn’t let anyone off the hook (we all know that if Superman has a bad day, he’s still gonna be a pretty good guy at the end of it). Many readers prefer characters who embody revenge fantasies to aspirational ones, anyway. But I’m with you, Gail. I love that character, just the way he is.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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I totally agree with Phil's statement. And it's not just Superman. People seem to look for reasons to justify there immoral and unethical behavior. To point out such behavior gets you labeled as "self righteous and judgemental".
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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
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| Posted: 07 December 2012 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 5
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He`s only as boring as (bad) writers make him.
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Indeed.
I think the character, in the right hands, is anything but boring. I think his moral compass can lead in interesting directions. What would Superman do, for example, if he was confronted by someone who had brutally attempted to murder Lois Lane? It might be easy/easier to write for a vigilante character who would just throw the would-be-murdered off a roof, but Superman's moral compass would mean he'd have to step back from temptation and figure out what he's going to do.
He's also one who could face temptation. It must be tempting to break every law and throw Lex Luthor into jail. If he wanted to, he could use his super powers to frame Luthor. He could allow a burning building with Luthor in to continue to burn, but he'd rather save his enemy. That's an interesting character, if you ask me.
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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He`s only as boring as (bad) writers make him. ************** This. But, this holds true for ANY character.
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Robert White Byrne Robotics Member
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Right on, Phil. Perfectly articulated. It also shows how limited some people are when it comes to accepting the myriad different personalities that make up our group consciousness. It's this clannish, tribal mentality in microcosm that gets us in trouble again and again.
Sure, I prefer Batman if given a choice, but Superman is right there behind him as my second favorite DC character. There are times when you should want to read about people better than you are, as there are times when you want to explore the psyche's of those on your level or below on the morality/ethical scale. That's what makes it all interesting.
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Paul Kimball Byrne Robotics Member
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John can correct me but I would think that Superman is harder to write than other characters as his powers would make finding challenges a little more difficult unless you're going to go with silver-age style madness. I would think that the flash and GL come with the same challenge.
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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
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Sure, I prefer Batman if given a choice, but Superman is right there behind him as my second favorite DC character. There are times when you should want to read about people better than you are, as there are times when you want to explore the psyche's of those on your level or below on the morality/ethical scale. That's what makes it all interesting.
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It can also be inspiring. I've found Superman a very inspiring character at times and he has helped me. It's always important to have real role models (parents, siblings, teachers, sports coaches, etc), but Superman can be inspiring. I always found the TV shows, the Reeve movies, the Superboy series and Mr Byrne's run inspiring as it showed a Superman who was sensitive, but strong.
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Superman is certainly not boring... if so, he wouldn't be the HUGE ICON he is worldwide for so many decades. Sadly, today's writers are too concerned with DISSECTING him and his origins rather than just writing good stories for him. We get it - he's superhuman from another planet - let's just tell stories about him taking on serious threats and villains as he proves himself 'Earth's Mightiest Protector'.
-C!
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Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
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One of the reasons I think I've never been able to really get into Superman is that things are too easy for him. I don't mean fights and his powers, though. I mean his personal life. He was raised by great parents, is very successful at the job of his dreams, and even has the girl of his dreams chasing after him (or married to him). I think heroes with more struggles (not flaws) are easier to identify with and more interesting to root for.
I still like the guy...I just like many more characters much better.
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Aaron Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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He`s only as boring as (bad) writers make him. *** Exactly.
Edited by Aaron Smith on 07 December 2012 at 3:49pm
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