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Leigh DJ Hunt Byrne Robotics Member
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Well for what it's worth JB, I do try and correct the 'error' whenever I see it. In fact I was the first person in the Bleeding Cool comments to mention it.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 May 2014 at 5:42am | IP Logged | 2
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There's an add for a documentary about CC and the X-Men here
I doubt it will be big on the JB involvement but the most curious thing is the porn music playing in the background over lingering shots of female cosplayers. Really weird.
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Robert White Byrne Robotics Member
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I'm sure that the people involved with inviting Wein and Claremont to cameo realized that JB wouldn't have accepted. (Or perhaps Quesada's reach is longer than we thought?)
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John Byrne
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Posted: 14 May 2014 at 6:32am | IP Logged | 4
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Well for what it's worth JB, I do try and correct the 'error' whenever I see it. In fact I was the first person in the Bleeding Cool comments to mention it.•• I appreciate the effort, ineffective as it is! My "favorite" comment, thus far, has to be this one: "Leave us alone Byrnes! You have ruined enough of the Internet on your own forums." I had no idea staying here in my own Forum, posting nowhere else, had "ruined" the internet. Now THAT's power!!!
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Tim O Neill Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 14 May 2014 at 7:52am | IP Logged | 5
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JB: "One positive aspect to come out of all this, mind you, was that it created in me almost an obsession about credit where credit is due, not just for myself but for everyone."
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I've noticed this over the years. On the first issues of HELLBOY, JB is credited as "Scripter", and is listed second to Mike Mignola. I like that then relative unknown Mignola was appropriately in the spotlight.
I credit JB with making sure we all knew about Hellboy during the NEXT MEN days. I kind of resented the idea of Hellboy showing up in the pages of NEXT MEN. When I turned the page and saw a different art style, I flashed on Mork showing up on HAPPY DAYS - a new character jammed inappropriately into an established title as a shameless promotion of a new series. After reading the sequence, i didn't think it was so bad. Re-reading the series over the years, I think it works artistically in the story, and it did lead me to read the book, beginning a fantastic journey into a new world that continues to thrive today.
JB is also listed second to John Romita Jr. on IRON MAN. JB did write the stories, but putting the artist in the primary credit space was a nice touch.
I was introduced to the term "Breakdown Artist" when JB was on WOLVERINE. I think it was good for the titles to reflect who did what, and it was apparent from the start that the art was a collaboration between JB and Klaus Jansen. That pairing was a smart move that gave their run a look that was distinct from JB's run on X-MEN and very appropriate for Wolverine's solo title.
You've been very gracious about credit, JB - I wish credit was made clearer for such iconic stories from your X-Men days.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 14 May 2014 at 8:11am | IP Logged | 6
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You've been very gracious about credit, JB - I wish credit was made clearer for such iconic stories from your X-Men days.•• It sometimes amazes me that there are still corners of fandom -- and large corners, it would seem! -- where the origin of "Days of Future Past" is still unknown. It's not like I've been shy about discussing how the story came to be! It began with the Sentinels, as many of you know. Chris didn't want to do a Sentinel story. He said "Sentinels are lame!" No, said I, you just WRITE them lame! So I plotted a tale in which the Sentinels were not only anything but "lame," they actually took over the world! As it turned out, I would realize later that I had inadvertently lifted certain elements of my story from other sources, most specifically the "Day of the Daleks" story on DOCTOR WHO, which essentially provided the spine of "Days of Future Past," plus some visual elements from the novelization of THE QUATERMASS CONCLUSION, which I'd read not long before working on "Days." Chris was familiar with neither of these stories, at the time, so obviously elements that came from them could not have been his idea. Using Kitty as the maguffin of the story, with the "mental time travel" aspect was mine, and I'd come up with it as a way of ensuring the X-Men got a clear win out of this story, and did not merely create yet another "alternate timeline." I even convinced Captain Omniverse himself, Mark Gruenwald, that because "Kate" had journeyed back thru her own mind's timeline, there was no point at which a divergence could occur. (No small victory, that!) Of course Chris, in scripting the issues, slipped in an "alternate timeline" reference, and the notorious "incestuous lesbian kiss" moment (not in the pictures!) and thus gutted my story -- while providing himself and later writers acres of material to be forever strip-mined. Once again, the X-Men didn't really WIN.
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Brandon Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 May 2014 at 8:43am | IP Logged | 7
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<<It began with the Sentinels, as many of you know. Chris didn't want to do a Sentinel story. He said "Sentinels are lame!" No, said I, you just WRITE them lame! So I plotted a tale in which the Sentinels were not only anything but "lame," they actually took over the world!>> It's interesting how things can change over time! In February, I went to Wizard World New Orleans. Chris Claremont was the featured subject of one of the panels. As the subject turned to his early days on the X-Men, he said (and this is admittedly a paraphrase based on my memory), "One of the first things Dave Cockrum and I tried to do, when starting on the X-Men, was to give them some good villains. At that time, the Sentinels were the only decent villains they had."
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Mark McKay Byrne Robotics Member
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Has Chris Claremont ever refuted (or corroborated) the claims made by JB regarding the creation of Days of Future Past or any other stories from their time working together? Has he ever said he remembers things differently?
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Steven Legge Byrne Robotics Member
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I doubt it will be big on the JB involvement
I've seen it, and it's not. (it IS a Claremont specific doc after all) but JB is mentioned quite a few times by pretty much everyone in the doc and only with respect.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 May 2014 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 10
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Has Chris Claremont ever refuted (or corroborated) the claims made by JB regarding the creation of Days of Future Past or any other stories from their time working together? Has he ever said he remembers things differently?
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I think the only people who take issue with JB's comments regarding this are the ones who don't understand how the Marvel Method worked.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 14 May 2014 at 9:57am | IP Logged | 11
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I doubt it will be big on the JB involvement++ I've seen it, and it's not. (it IS a Claremont specific doc after all) but JB is mentioned quite a few times by pretty much everyone in the doc and only with respect. •• Like Jack Kirby, Chris deserves every iota of the credit that is rightfully his -- I have often said, only half kidding, that based on the success of the book AFTER I left, it seems pretty obvious I was holding him back. However, also like Kirby, Chris is NOT entitled to any credit that belongs to others, whoever those others might be!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 14 May 2014 at 9:59am | IP Logged | 12
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I think the only people who take issue with JB's comments regarding this are the ones who don't understand how the Marvel Method worked. •• Them -- and that small but vocal contingent who seem to want to erase my contributions to the industry retroactively. "His old stuff was better -- and, you know, even THAT wasn't any good!!"
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