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Stephen Churay
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Sorry to change the topic but this seemed like the place to put it.
There currently is a DAYS OF FUTURE PAST hardcover from Marvel
that has JB's famous image of the Sentinel blasting Logan. It's a large
tome and looks like a great size to view JB's beautiful artwork.
THIS IS NOT THAT STORY! I saw one in a bookstore yesterday that
had been torn out of the wrapping. There is one issue by JB in it. The
rest comes from material published in the late 80's and early 90's. It's
got a somewhat hefty price tag on it, and I'd hate to see somebody
buy the thing only to find out it's not what they wanted.
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Brian Miller
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that has JB's famous image of the Sentinel blasting Logan
************* If it's the cover to 142, then it's Austin only. No Byrne.
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Stephen Churay
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You're absolutely right Brian. My mistake. I forget how many of those
covers were all Terry.
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Shaun Barry
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Well, wait, Stephen... technically, wouldn't you still be in the right, since JB's artwork within the issue came first, and Austin based his cover on the original image of Sentinel vs. Wolverine?
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Tim O Neill
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I think Terry Austin only did three solo covers to books the collaborated on - the last two UNCANNY X-MEN (#142, 143), and ADVENTURES OF INDIANA JONES #1. I thought the rest were JB pencils, Terry Austin inks. Am I missing some?
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John Byrne
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I hate this notion that the scriptor of comics is the true creator of comics, not the cartoonist. Comics are a VISUAL medium, with a VISUAL language.••• Many a time I've said, over the years, that nobody ever walked into a comic shop, saw a new issue on the rack, and thought "Gee, that looks well written!" Astonishingly, for as long as I have been saying this, there have been people who have disputed it. Even in the days before cover credits, there would be those who'd insist they followed certain writers, and knowing one of them had worked on the book would prompt them to buy it. Which is, of course, completely contrary to the core of my comment -- that the potential customer only SEES the book, knowing nothing about it other than what's drawn on the cover. (That my statement is true is, of course, supported by the long tradition of having an artist do the cover who did not work on the interiors.)
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John Byrne wrote:
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I was burned a few times at the comic store by this until I got wise. Seeing a cover by an artist I liked got me to pick up the book, but only to verify the interior art was by the same person. I followed artists and only sought out writers on recommendation.
I also acknowledge that some writers are better with some artists most likely because of plot contribution. In comics, the artist(s) often contribute to the story even if it is as little as suggesting a villain, but the writer rarely suggests a camera angle or layout for the artist.
Cameos in a movie are generous, but credit where credit is due has become a part of my philosophy as a direct result of this forum and JB.
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Steven Legge
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I found this article discussing the decline of comic artists in favor of writers in the medium. It's pretty good and the first few comments at the bottom make some good observations as well.
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Peter Martin
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The article loses a lot of its cred when it says 'The industry, sales wise, is as healthy as it has been in forever.'
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Stephen Churay
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Well, wait, Stephen... technically, wouldn't you still be in the right, since JB's artwork within the issue came first, and Austin based his cover on the original image of Sentinel vs. Wolverine?
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I think Terry Austin only did three solo covers to books the collaborated on - the last two UNCANNY X-MEN (#142, 143), and ADVENTURES OF INDIANA JONES #1. I thought the rest were JB pencils, Terry Austin inks. Am I missing some?
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In any case, if you were looking to buy the current hardcover thinking you're getting the classic story by JB, Claremont and Austin, you're not going to be happy. I think its bad salesmanship by Marvel to put that book out like that.
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John Byrne
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The article loses a lot of its cred when it says 'The industry, sales wise, is as healthy as it has been in forever.'•• WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! X-MEN is currently selling around 180,000 per month. That's slightly higher than the sales Chris and I got when we killed Phoenix. Most of the rest of the time, we were lower, and an inch ahead of cancelation.* When Roy Thomas and Neal Adams were doing the book, it was CANCELED selling around 250,000. That was considered LOW sales!! When Stan and Jack were doing FANTASTIC FOUR, it pulled in around 400,000 per month. And in the "Golden Age" books sold twice that. __________ * There were times we wished the book WOULD be canceled, just to end that monthly anguish of not knowing!
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Brian Miller
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Am I missing some?
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