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Eric Sofer
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | 1
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Mr. Trump will be 78 in 2024. How much can a 78 year old do?
Hmm? Pardon me? :)
Mr. Trump has long seemed to be in bad physical shape for a man his age. I don't dare speculate what will happen to him now that he'll no longer be POTUS... but his health care will descend, perhaps significantly. So four yearws really might take a considerable toll on him. Hell, I'm especially worried about Joe Biden... which is why I'm so glad of his choice of VP.
And if you hold in that sort of thing, he's been a bad man. His thoughts, comments, and actions have been contrary to the public good. I don't believe that any cosmic entity will strike him down; but I believe that maintaining such behavior may well affect his health. To be blunt - how long can a man be an asshole without it taking its toll on him?
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Rodrigo castellanos
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | 2
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Stephen Colbert's BATMAN parody:
Amazing.
Congratulations, folks!
Much rejoicing is deserved, try to keep the malarkey to a minimum :D
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Matt Hawes
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | 3
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Can Trump pardon himself before he's even been convicted? He's very unlikely to be charged during his final days in office, so it would have to be the next President who pardons him, right?
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Eric Sofer
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 2:29pm | IP Logged | 4
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Well, he's gonna try the self-pardon bit. And once again - being about as bright as a dingy doorknob in a haunted house - he's given away his plan before he needed to. The technical details don't matter, since President Murder is so smart that he can outthink everyone.... sigh...
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Marc Baptiste
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | 5
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Matt,
The short answer is YES.
Marc
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Tim O Neill
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Since he seems to be taking every crooked maneuver from the Nixon and W
playbooks...
Per Mara Liasson on NPR, he could strike a deal with Pence - resign in
exchange for a President Pence pardon.
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Tim O Neill
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 3:08pm | IP Logged | 7
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Lots of great Count von Count references this week, but this was my favorite:
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Kevin Brown
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 8
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Can Trump pardon himself before he's even been convicted?
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Matt,
The short answer is YES.
Marc
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No, he cannot be pardoned. He's been impeached.
Article II, section 2 of the Constitution:
The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
Plus there's still a question as to whether he can pardon himself or not. Most say he could not, but it's never been challenged.
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Eric Ladd
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | 9
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I wonder what his idea of graceful concession will be like? This didn’t take long and we will have to see if the puppet listens to the master.
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Matt Hawes
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | 10
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About Trump pardoning himself:
Other than being impeached, he has not been convicted of a crime while in office (thus far), so what is the pardon he would grant for himself? You can't preemptively grant yourself (or anyone) a pardon if there hasn't even been a conviction, right? If he is charged for crimes AFTER he is no longer President, well.... he is no longer President, so therefore will no longer have the power to pardon anyone.
He will likely pardon his crooked buddies, but how can he pardon himself when he hasn't a conviction to overturn?
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Brian Floyd
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | 11
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My question is, if he...say...pardons his flunkies on his last day in office and the paperwork is still there when Biden takes over, is there anything stopping Biden from `misplacing' or `losing' said paperwork?
And I don't believe a President can pardon himself. It would practically be admitting guilt, for one thing.
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Michael Roberts
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| Posted: 07 November 2020 at 5:03pm | IP Logged | 12
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You can't preemptively grant yourself (or anyone) a pardon if there hasn't even been a conviction, right?
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He can’t pardon himself, but he can definitely get a preemptive pardon. What do you think Ford pardoned Nixon for?
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