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Christopher Frost
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I'm pretty sure that the two stories were drawn years after the series ended which is why the art looks they way it does. The Marvel Super Heroes anthology book, as noted above, was a dumping ground for inventory and other unused stories. Since Claremont was still a big name at the time I believe the editors pulled out the unused scripts and assigned someone to draw them for publication.
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David Miller
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Further googling suggests the Claremont/Vosburg pages of "#25" were completed sometime in the Eighties for Marvel Fanfare*, which could explain the otherwise inexplicably prescient appearance of Byrne Brotherhood designs, characterization of Rogue, and script approach evocative of Kitty Pride & Wolverine.
*At least according to anonymous blog comments summoning vague memories of ancient fanzine interviews.
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Brian Hague
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That does make a bit more sense...
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Matthew Wilkie
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Wait, who came up with the name Jason Wyngard? I guess I remember it
being JB-- I'm sure that's why I thought this story must have been after or
during the storyline created in X-Men.
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My recollection too with JB merging the names of the actor Peter Wyngarde and, the character he played, Jason King.
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John Byrne
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NOW it makes sense!And, yes, "Jason Wyngarde" was mine.
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Dave Kopperman
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Mark Haslett wrote:
| ...And Rogue was introduced as a girl in her teens? I'm not sure Michael Golden was in on that bit of information. |
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To be fair(?), I'm not certain Golden would have drawn her any differently had he known. Witness this panel from X-Men annual something-or-other of Kitty and Illyana, both maybe 13-14 years old. I can't seem to find the rest of the page, but I remember at the time thinking it was WAAAAAY oversxualized (and if I felt that way at the same age, it must have been pretty bad).
Edited: aha - a little more of the page, here: 
Edited by Dave Kopperman on 12 January 2017 at 9:25am
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John Byrne
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OW! I just got hit in the face with a brick (or two)!
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Dave Kopperman
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Yeah, I'll bet. As Kitty's creator, that panel with the bomb pop is probably pretty egregious. I'm certain all of that business is in the script, but Golden really pushed it. The previous page (which I can't find but wonder if someone else can) was straight-up T&A.
Not to knock Golden, who had (has) an appealing style with a beautiful, clean line and strong compositional and storytelling sense, but his stuff has not aged well for me - maybe because I can see a strong influence he had on McFarlane. Who I also liked fine at the time.
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Ronald Joseph
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...And Rogue was introduced as a girl in her teens?
Rogue being a sixteen-year-old certainly makes this an awkward scene...
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Matt Hawes
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Ronald, how so? That wasn't a romantic scene, that was Wolverine making a sacrifice to save the life of a teammate who he has just earned respect for (Wolverine did not trust Rogue, who he just found out was inducted to the X-Men, when this story began).
Admittedly, it's been since 1983 or so that I last read that comic, but I don't see anything indecent in those panels. Is it that he calls her "darlin'"? Wolverine did that with all the ladies, and not as a lewd come on.
Edited to add: Do you think they were making out in that last panel? Really, I am trying to understand how you interpreted that scene as salacious in any way.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 12 January 2017 at 5:56pm
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Ronald Joseph
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Do you think they were making out in that last panel? Really, I am trying to understand how you interpreted that scene as salacious in any way.
Making out? No, not at all. But did he kiss her on the mouth? Absolutely.
Earlier in that issue, Rogue leans in towards Logan in a very suggestive manner and tries to kiss him and this scene was a callback to that. The way Logan is holding her face in the second panel implies (to me, anyway) that he was going for the lips.
A kiss on the forehead would have done the job. But that whole scene reads as just a little "off" to me. .
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Ronald Joseph
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I'll add: from an artist's standpoint, Paul Smith pulling the camera waaaaay back gives the scene a more intimate ("private") feel than a kiss on the forehead or cheek would need.
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