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Wilson Mui
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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 9:59am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I love how you just have one caption and let the
pictures speak for themselves.
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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 11:10am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

The use of negative space in depicting Lilandra's
bed sheets in the fourth panel is particularly
cool!
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Tom Perkowitz
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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

If they knew that Pheonix was a separate entity that had been removed from Jean Gray's body, what was the point of punishing her with a "lobotomy?"
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I'll echo Brennan from a couple of pages back when he said this is your best work, JB. While I will always love your Next Men, FF, X-Men, Alpha Flight, and Superman, this is next level stuff. Way to go!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

If they knew that Pheonix was a separate entity that had been removed from Jean Gray's body, what was the point of punishing her with a "lobotomy?"

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The "lobotomy" was an unfortunate side effect of the removal.

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Tim O Neill
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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 1:20pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply


Absolutely incredible - the art on this page is fantastic. No need for
description as the images speak for themselves.


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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Eric: As for that final panel - it's scary enough to surpass "bad ass." That's just
sheer, utter, threatening. BEAUTIFUL!

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Agreed, but I can't help adding one more adjective: sad. I truly feel for the
destruction here, caused by an ill-fated, but sincere and dedicated ruler.

This is a beautiful nightmare.
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Simon Anderson
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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 3:30pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Was Lilandra lying when she said (in the Untold version of issue 137) that it was a psychic lobotomy that would exciae the parts of Jean's brain that related to her mutant abilities? It appears that they actually sucked/extracted the Phoenix entity out of her. 
Was it this extraction that caused the damage to Jean's mind?
Was it even general knowledge at this point that there actually was an entity and it wasn't just Jean's powers enhanced by cosmic rays?

* I've just noticed that at least part of my question was answered a few posts above!


Edited by Simon Anderson on 18 June 2020 at 3:33pm
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Kevin Corcoran
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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 4:24pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

These last few days I am appreciating John's varied line weights and borders, showing texture and conveying different materials. The metal of Lilandra's armor looks different than the metal surrounding her in her craft, and the fabric of the attendants mid-scorching conveys a terribly different "feel" than in the previous panels. Even the white hair of A'Raki's head and beard have a craggly texture that contrasts from the younger coiffures.

The observations shared by others (pointing out Lilandra's arm feathers, and the video in another thread with Neal Adams talking about line weights when inking) are very helpful in appreciating the subtle details that are produced by practiced artisans like JB. 
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Ted Pugliese
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Posted: 18 June 2020 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Again, I am amazed at how my misconceptions blinded me
to what was going on, but here we are. Wow!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 19 June 2020 at 5:42am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

…Lilandra's arm feathers…

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These are not new, are they? Didn't I show them when Lilandra and Xavier were off on vacation together, and she was in Earth garb?

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David Allen Perrin
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Posted: 19 June 2020 at 6:27am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

That last panel...

“This looks like a job for....GLADIATOR!  UP...UP AND AWAY!”


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