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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 15 November 2024 at 3:50am | IP Logged | 1
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There’s nothing we can do to thwart him. He’s done it. He’s won. All his
dreams will come true. All we can do is hope there’s some small part of
America to rebuild when he finally dies. And I have my doubts there will be.
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 15 November 2024 at 4:09am | IP Logged | 2
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I guess that means you can’t point to him actually “only saying it for 9
years”?
Yeah, not really relying on your opinion right now.
Edited by Mark Haslett on 15 November 2024 at 4:14am
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David Miller
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| Posted: 15 November 2024 at 7:24am | IP Logged | 3
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Brian, your comment reminds me of "A Comment on August 23, 1944" by Jorge Luis Borges:
Edited by David Miller on 15 November 2024 at 7:51am
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 15 November 2024 at 1:22pm | IP Logged | 4
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I don’t know why my comment has you so bent out of shape, Mark. You
made the comment that it seems like JUST NOW Trump wants to be like
Putin and all I was saying was no, he’s been showing us this since he first
got in the political arena. He’s praised Putin and the way he governs from
the very beginning. He’s expressed his admiration and desire to be like him
thru three presidential campaigns and one term as President. This isn’t
something new. The whole world has reported on his attraction to Putin and
his way of doing things for years yet you think in just the last week and a
half he’s decided “hey, I like how Putin runs everything, I think I’ll do that
too.” Nope. You’re much too intelligent a guy to have not seen and
understood this over the last decade so I guess any umbrage you took with
my post is the fact I was seeming to disagree with you. And demanding I
give examples of Trump wanting to be like Putin? Really? Have I given you
too much credit for intelligence?
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 15 November 2024 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | 5
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Mark, you and Brian are on the same side. I, too, am wondering what got you so off-kilter here in your response to him. Brian isn’t wrong. Trump has long admired Putin: in private conversations staffers have reported, to interviews given about Russia’s war with Ukraine, to praising Putin on the campaign trail. He’s done it since at least 2015. There’s a reason he has an obscene affinity for dictators and tyrants: he wants to be one of them. He said as much when, unprompted, he made the comment that he wants to be a “Dictator on Day 1”. He later “amended” that and said “only one day” but anyone with a brain knows he meant what he said the first time.
Let’s stop the infighting. Too much of that coming from the outside and, quite frankly, the inside as well.
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 15 November 2024 at 7:43pm | IP Logged | 6
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I am not looking to increase any in fighting. I hope that some of us do not
feel completely resigned to the inevitable destruction of the United States.
There remains a debate about how serious Trump is about any plans. He
has always been a lazy and unsuccessful person in everything he has ever
ever tried to do, except running for president.
Over the last nine years, Trump has had many separate goals. First he
needed to get some kind of boost from running for President, but ended up
accidentally elected president. Then he needed to get reelected, but failed.
Then he needed to win back the White House to avoid jail. But now, he has a
second whack at this thing and, apparently, a much clearer vision of what
he will do to this country if he can.
But he faces a challenge. Totally dismantling the oldest democracy on the
face of the planet is not something that anyone knows exactly how to do.
Does the collection of geeks and misfits who surround Trump really know
how to do it? I don’t know. But I think the best way to understand them at
this point is to imagine they are all pulling the same direction
toward converting the United States into a Russia style oligarchy.
This has not been his constant aim for 9 years, but sure—we all knew it
was a distant wish of his. Now it is as if he has been given a magic wand to
make that wish come true. Now all his “little fires” are out and he can focus
on his big dream.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 16 November 2024 at 7:29am | IP Logged | 7
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Things I think Trump has said over the past years that indicate he wants to
run America like Russia. Don’t ask me for references, I don’t have them.
His constant admiration for people such as Putin, Xi Shinping Kim Jong Un
His admiration for autocrats in general
His numerous comments about removing term limits
His comment about being a dictator for a day
His demands for loyalty
His comments about removing officials that do not swear absolute loyalty
Comments about liking how Putin runs his country
Yeah, I think there is enough evidence to surmise he has been saying he
wants to run the country like Putin runs Russia.
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John Byrne
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I wonder if our British members are finding any uncomfortable resonance in the “Trump Will Fix It” tag?
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Brian Floyd
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Trump has also made threats against Hilary Clinton, Liz Cheney and a few others that would have had the FBI showing up at the door if an average normal citizen made them.
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Rodrigo castellanos
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Brian, your comment reminds me of "A Comment on August 23, 1944" by Jorge Luis Borges:
Brilliant passage by my favorite writer ever.
You could definitely feel these vibes the first time around. Trump was confused, almost bewildered, about actually winning.
That wasn't the plan.
But now, I think it is.
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 17 November 2024 at 3:17am | IP Logged | 11
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Mark Haslett wrote:
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Debate. Sure. But about his intentions? There shouldn’t be. He was as incompetent a leader of a nation could ever have been his first go ‘round. As nearly every outlet has reported, he’s learned even if he’s now addled. I hardly think it’ll be the same this time. It will be worse. Guaranteed.
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Rod Collins
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| Posted: 17 November 2024 at 7:23am | IP Logged | 12
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I wonder if our British members are finding any uncomfortable resonance in the “Trump Will Fix It” tag?
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He's more of a wrecker than a builder...
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