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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 03 April 2025 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Sergio>>A dispassionate and honest question: do you think the U.S. President knows what he is doing? I mean, is there some logic that can be reasonable, even if you disagree with it? <<

He doesn't know what he's doing. We're not being hyperbolic, he literally doesn't understand.  To even say he has an Executive Summary understanding of anything would be giving him too much credit.  Even simple stuff like the reason he only eats fast foods is based on a whole chain of misunderstandings.
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ron bailey
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Posted: 03 April 2025 at 6:02pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Mea culpa
To Ron’s point, there is a bigger story that Trump is distracting from.
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You're getting there, Mark!
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 03 April 2025 at 7:29pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Conrad:
He doesn't know what he's doing. We're not being hyperbolic, he literally
doesn't understand. To even say he has an Executive Summary
understanding of anything would be giving him too much credit. Even
simple stuff like the reason he only eats fast foods is based on a whole
chain of misunderstandings

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Why don’t any of the people who used to work with him and now hate him
say this? His former COS, his former lawyers, his former employees- they
often hate him. They never say what you say here.

If you believe he doesn’t know that imposing tariffs will cause destructive
chaos, I think you are not looking at all the evidence.
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Brennan Voboril
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Posted: 03 April 2025 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Real bloodbath today.  Trillions wiped out.  Sent to Money Heaven.  
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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 03 April 2025 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Mark>>Why don’t any of the people who used to work with him and now hate him
say this? His former COS, his former lawyers, his former employees- they
often hate him. They never say what you say here.<<

There's a lot of stuff in this post, so apologies in advance for any editing errors.  I tried, but I've only got so much time, you know?

How have you managed to avoid it? That aside, they do.  To the media.  Obviously no one listened, thought they were being hyperbolic, it was just "politics", sour grapes, was lost in the "big news" of the day. Whatever.  It literally cannot be that Trump is an obdurate moron. It's just minor news. Our Dear Leader is the bestest smartest guy ever, surely!  He's playing 5D chess! If he's so dumb, why is he rich?  The crap I see on socials from the randos is gob-smacking.

Former Lawyer, Ty Cobb (about the Daniels case)

"A good lawyer, when his client insists on doing something really stupid, throws his body in front of the freight train and prevents it. That's harder to do with Trump than many..."
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Assorted quotes from Former National Security Advisor, John Bolton,

"Trump doesn't understand what NATO is".

“I think his behavior alone is troubling enough,” he continued. “To be a fascist, you have to have a philosophy. Trump’s not capable of that.”

“You know, Adolf Hitler wrote a profoundly troubling book called Mein Kampf, ‘My Struggle.’ Donald Trump couldn’t even read his way all the way through that book, let alone write something like it,”
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Former Chief of Staff, John Kelly:

...Trump “seemed to have no appreciation that top aides were supposed to put their pledge to the Constitution — and, by extension, the rule of law — above all else.”

From NBC
WASHINGTON — White House chief of staff John Kelly has eroded morale in the West Wing in recent months with comments to aides that include insulting the president's intelligence and casting himself as the savior of the country, according to eight current and former White House officials.

The officials said Kelly portrays himself to Trump administration aides as the lone bulwark against catastrophe, curbing the erratic urges of a president who has a questionable grasp on policy issues and the functions of government. He has referred to Trump as "an idiot" multiple times to underscore his point, according to four officials who say they've witnessed the comments.
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Former Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson (the one who plausibly denied calling Trump a moron on the grounds he called him a "fucking moron". speaking of his strained working relationship with President Donald Trump during an interview with Bob Schieffer of CBS News. Tillerson went on to call Trump a “pretty undisciplined” man who “doesn’t like to read” and “doesn’t like to get into the details of … things.”

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Former Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis (from Business Insider--there's a lot more there)

On a president being tough and keeping the peace, Mattis said: "Not with the current occupant. He doesn't understand. He has no mental framework for these things. He hasn't read."

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Former Director of National Inteligence, Dan Coats

"To him, a lie is not a lie. It's just what he thinks. He doesn't know the difference between the truth and a lie.")
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There's lots more.  This isn't remotely comprehensive or smattering of one-offs. All very reminiscent of Fran Lebowitz quip about Trump (who she's known from way back in the day),

""You do not know anyone as stupid as Donald Trump. You just don't.”

But surely hyperbole, jealousy, or just politics.  Couldn't be the obvious stone-cold truth, could it?
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 03 April 2025 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Good answer, Conrad, but I see we disagree on what it means to “know
what you are doing.”

He doesn’t know how to be a president or “do” economics or read a book.
These quotes reflect that.

But he knows how to be a mob boss and to take advantage of
vulnerabilities- and there are plenty of quotes to back that up.

Trump has always revealed his mafia framework of understanding —
everyone’s crooked, only loyalty matters and only the tough guy gets
respect.

Unfortunately for the world, Kremlin “fascism” is not idiological— it’s just a
mafia state.

What doesn’t Trump understand about that?
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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 03 April 2025 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Mark, I would agree that he knows how to be a mob boss.  I read Michael Cohen's book, and it seems clear that's the only thing going on in his head. Not something that qualifies you to run a Dairy Queen much less a government.  The self-centeredness is in and of itself disqualifying.

I recall a joke I heard on Morning Radio here in the Twin Cities way back in the 90's (when I listened to Morning Radio). 

Donald Trump and beautiful woman enter an elevator.  The woman recognizes him and offers him a blow job.
"What's in it for me?" he replies.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 03 April 2025 at 11:34pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Worst US President in my lifetime and it's not even close.

Inflicting this kind of harm on the US economy, the Canadian economy, the Mexican economy, the European economy, the Japanese economy, on basically  everyone because, of his stubborn insistence that it's a good idea, without one shred of evidence (practical or theoretical) to back his corner is the kind of thing where Congress should be stepping in to say, hang on, we're going to have to act as a check on your power here, because this clearly isn't about national security, it's about you being a bull-headed autocrat.
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 04 April 2025 at 1:41am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Peter, he’s trying to dismantle the unofficial guardrails of power by using
the executive branch as a black jack on the world economy.

“ Nice little world economy you got there. It’d be a shame of someone hurt
it“


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Matt Reed
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Posted: 04 April 2025 at 1:57am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

To this question...

 Mark Haslett wrote:
...what it means to “know what you are doing.”

It's complicated.  On the one hand, I think he knows exactly what he's doing in the aggregate.  To say otherwise means that he's just a bumbling fool that happened to win two national elections separated by 4 years during a politically divisive time.  He's "lucky" or somehow "stumbled into it". He is none of those things and to consistently say that he is or to otherwise demean it gives voice to those that support him.  He knows, again in aggregate, what weight his words and actions mean.  Full stop.  

Does he know the specifics?  No.  Not at all.  And this gets into the "he doesn't know a thing" category.  No.  He doesn't know the specifics.  Doesn't care.  Can't be bothered.  He has a goalpost and is aiming for it. He's used the former against the latter and leveraged that to get elected not once but twice.  Simple math.  And MAGA eats it up.  

So it's not as simple as "he does or he doesn't".  No. Dude doesn't know the details.  Couldn't care less about the repercussions.  Dude knows optics and the "grand plan" such as it is.  You can be two things at once; smart at one thing, totally obtuse at another.  We've all met people like that.  It's not as binary as one over the other. You can be both.  
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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 04 April 2025 at 3:56am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Well put, Matt. I'd add that his enablers have a much clearer idea of all of the things he does not, and he's just a gross symptom of a much deeper malaise.

When he goes, it's gonna be hard to dig the ticks out.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 04 April 2025 at 11:26am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

The tariffs are wrong in a multitude of ways, just as the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930

The situation back then sound very familar. The proposers of the tariffs promised it would create US prosperity, but Canada and many other trading partners responded with retaliatory tariffs. It undermined confidence in US international co-operation and France and Britain developed new trading partners. The tariffs were proposed as a protection for farm workers, but exacerbated the Great Depression and led to a huge loss of farms (roughly a third of farmers lost their land).

US imports and exports fell by more than 60% between 1929 and 1934. World trade decreased by two thirds in the same period. US unemployment rose from 8% in 1930 to 25% in 1932.

Over decades and decades after WWII, governments around the world worked to remove these barriers to trades and global prosperity ensued. Tariffs are stupid and damaging.
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