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David Miller
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| Posted: 06 April 2025 at 4:39am | IP Logged | 1
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I totally forgot there was a protest. I spent the day working on my taxes. Does that make me part of the problem?
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Oliver Denker
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| Posted: 06 April 2025 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 2
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Trump is seriously overestimating his political capital. Even if Trump's foolhardy experiment were to work, the USA were to emerge victorious from the trade war and American industry were to experience a renaissance, it would be a long-term process. The mills of politics grind faster than industry can be reawakened, as Joe Biden recently learnt.
From my experience many Americans have no reserve cushion to wait for the Elysium that Trump promises them. They are heavily in debt and live from pay cheque to pay cheque. The great seducer of the people will not pay the costs of his megalomaniac experiment, the others will.
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Matt Hawes
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| Posted: 06 April 2025 at 4:58pm | IP Logged | 3
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Sigh... morons...
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Phil Frances
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| Posted: 06 April 2025 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | 4
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Really not sure where to start - 'unprecedented' has been a media buzzword on and off since COVID, but ...
- As someone outside of the US, what's the actual scale of the anti-Trump protests ? I see loads of pics of what seem to be thousands of people, but across such a huge nation, will that carry sufficient weight to force any rethink ? - Is there any mechanism that the people (as in - 'We The People' ) can overturn an elected US President and his attendant government due to gross malpractice in office ?
Apols, as these may seem poorly worded or naive - but as Trumpf now seems to have gone fully wacko and doesn't seem to care about the markets or any 'optics', I have to wonder where the once-sane US goes next - or whether there is any hope of turn around.
Trumpf would argue (and already has ) that he's delivering his 'promises' to the American people ... but - surely - no-one imagined THIS?
Edited by Phil Frances on 06 April 2025 at 8:09pm
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 06 April 2025 at 11:22pm | IP Logged | 5
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Drove by the White House today about 3p. Saw more cops than protestors.
Could’ve missed the main crowd, but clearly much more pain will come
before the people get unruly.
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 06 April 2025 at 11:53pm | IP Logged | 6
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Phil: I have to wonder where the once-sane US goes next - or whether there
is any hope of turn around.
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Your reaction is perfectly in line with what you’re seeing. All our allies are
afraid to share intel with the U.S. now— it is almost certain to be shared or
leaked to Russia and China. We no longer stand by any promises. We attack
our allies for no reason with no concern over consequences. The only
possible sense this makes is we are now allied with Russia and China.
China is already started showing up to aid the nations we’ve abandoned.
Our government workers are running for the exits before they get “Doged”
so there are only stressed and overworked men and women left running on
the hamster wheels of government.
Our protests are woeful, but they are a start.
A pitiful hope is that Justice Roberts is narcissistic enough to face off
against Trump when the day comes that they are at odds. But no one is
coming to save us and nothing will work except voters rising up.
We need to show that we will sacrifice to get these bastards out.
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Phil Frances
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| Posted: 07 April 2025 at 4:13am | IP Logged | 7
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Unfit for office. Unfit to govern. Unfit as any sort of rational human being. The leader of the the country that once held the beacon for the free world has thrown away Lady Liberty's torch, summarily and without dignity.
How did anyone seem to think this carny barker for a fascist shitshow parade should be in charge of anything beyond a grifting concession stand peddling his own image ?
In other countries, this would be laughable - it is so for the US ; but - to see such an ally brought so low, so quickly by a supposedly elected government - we are in the realms of fan fiction.
America - you are now truly run by idiots, who seem to have grievance with the rest of the world. Well, the rest of the world is already showing anti-US sentiment ... and - guess what ? - the rest of the world together is Bigger.Than.You.
So, enforce your tariffs. Means we'll trade less with you. Break your alliances - fine, we'll stop trusting you. Retreat to some sort of imagined 'golden age' when the US was supreme and pretend you've a plan to mean many of the social problems facing all Western governments are then magically cancelled.
Will any of that Make America Great Again ? No. It just makes you all look collectively like a bunch of TV-fed morons governed by painted puffed-up beyond-their-ability donkeys. That's now the result of the 2024 election as far as the rest of the world sees.
A shithead President who looks on every interaction as a 'deal' is not serving anyone's better interests, and the entourage he's dragged up with him is equally unequipped for any sort of public office. And he's now talking about a third or even fourth term. What an absolute loon.
Edited by Phil Frances on 07 April 2025 at 4:15am
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 07 April 2025 at 5:20am | IP Logged | 8
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We had a PM who lasted 45 days because they did something as stupid as
this - not the same thing, but stupid nonetheless.
She actually lasted less because for the first couple of weeks she wasn’t
doing anything as the nation was mourning the death of the queen.
It was very clear she wouldn’t last.
There just isn’t that possibility with the orange one. He’s going no where
and he will only reverse his decision if it benefits him and his handlers.
The irony is that his power has emboldened the lettuce to return and bang
on about the orange one’s messages and that she has been proven right.
She’s gaining little traction in the UK, but I’m unsure how other countries
view her.
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 07 April 2025 at 2:30pm | IP Logged | 9
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Phil: In other countries, this would be laughable - it is so for the US ; but -
to see such an ally brought so low, so quickly by a supposedly elected
government - we are in the realms of fan fiction.
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Like Italy, say. Or Turkey? Hungary? Ever heard of “Brexit”? LaPen?
There’s a kleptocracy flu going around the world, fueled by a horrific
marriage between Russian/Chinese authoritarianism and right wing/social
media. It used to just be Rupert Murdoch and the extreme right- but their
shift to embrace Russia and China has led to malicious infotainment
damaging democracies everywhere.
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Phil Frances
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| Posted: 07 April 2025 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | 10
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Mark - Ever heard of “Brexit”? LaPen?
'Brexit' - saw it, lived it endlessly during the campaign, voted against, still feeling with the total lack of supposed benefits from it.
You make a good point about the rise of the far right authoritarians in France, Italy, Hungary and Turkey - thank you - a good challenge. But none of those countries even then dropped some rampant bomb into the global economy. Trump has.
Although - even as I type - he is apparently claiming he may pause tariffs for all countries aside from China. NOW - once trillions have been wiped from companies, pensions, markets and investments - and creating huge doubt about the world's largest economy.
James - loved the lettuce reference ; for those who might not have spotted, the governing Conservative Party in the UK elected Liz Truss as their leader, taking office on 6th September 2022. She announced radical tax cuts that immediately crashed the markets and alienated her voters. The Daily Star tabloid created a live feed of a photo of Liz Truss alongside a head of lettuce, posing the question of who would last longest. The lettuce was subsequently fitted wit a blonde wig, glases and Mr Potato Head-like feet and hands. The lettuce won as Truss resigned in disgrace on 25th September 2022.
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Trevor Smith
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| Posted: 07 April 2025 at 4:00pm | IP Logged | 11
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"'Brexit' - saw it, lived it endlessly during the campaign,
voted against, still feeling with the total lack of
supposed benefits from it."
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I lived in Europe during Brexit, so I watched with great
interest. I spent that entire day in a fog of "What the
fuck are you guys (the yes voters) THINKING????".
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 07 April 2025 at 4:03pm | IP Logged | 12
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The common thread behind the far right movement around the world is
Russian financing and anti-immigrant hysteria. Brexit received massive
backing from Russian tied sources and it stoked the anti-immigrant fires
that fuel the right wing all over Europe. It was a testing ground for the same
politics that drove the Trump campaign.
Democracy has got to get its message straight or xenophobia is going to
choke it dead.
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