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Bill Collins
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 7:48am | IP Logged | 1
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James those types really annoy me! I remember the Brexit
vote and the unexpected result to leave the EU, i saw a
news item where young people were interviewed at a festival
(Glastonbury if i remember correctly)and they were all
against the result but didn't bother to vote because they
thought it was a cert that the result would be us
remaining.
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Edward Aycock
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | 2
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This time, it wasn't just "my vote doesn't matter," it was people who abstained or voted third party as they felt Harris was far too connected with Biden's support of Israel. Some Far Leftists even went so far as to label Harris a hawk and trump a dove. I wish I were kidding.
This purity test and one-issue voters on the Palestine/Israel conflict doomed us.
What also gets me are the people on the Right who say, "Obama deported far more people." Well, he certainly went about it in a very different way, didn't he?
Edited by Edward Aycock on 23 January 2026 at 12:12pm
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | 3
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Can’t imagine Trump’s base voting for him if they thought he was a “dove”.
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Edward Aycock
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | 4
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I can't figure out anything the Far Left says. They - including Susan Sarandon - were saying the same thing about Hillary in 2016.
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Brett Stuart
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | 5
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The further Left they circle causes them to spin around to the Right
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | 6
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While I decry a direct comparison of ultra-progressives and MAGA, one thing they do have in common is a steadfast commitment to voting* against their interests. I think it's actually more hypocritical and self-defeating on the left, because we (supposedly) believe in things only an effective participatory democracy can provide.
*choosing to not vote - performatively or otherwise - as a form of protest is itself a form of voting, to me.
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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 4:57pm | IP Logged | 7
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"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups". -George Carlin
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 5:06pm | IP Logged | 8
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I've been racking my brain (and checking my thesaurus), but I don't think there's a direct antonym for 'empathy', at least in English. That right there should tell you something about how unnatural and twisted the MAGA philosophy as implemented by ICE really is; in order to talk about their behavior and guiding principles, you have to talk about them having a lack of a thing.
I guess the closest you could come would be 'objectivist', which while clearly at the root of this modern TechBro-driven rejection of any and all shared humanist ideals, isn't exactly a one-to-one refutation; it's more like an acceptable way to say 'greedy and selfish'.
Edited by Dave Kopperman on 23 January 2026 at 5:15pm
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | 9
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I don't think there's a direct antonym for 'empathy', at least in English.••• The Germans have schadenfreude—because they would.
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 23 January 2026 at 6:49pm | IP Logged | 10
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Not to race-shame anyone, but don't think it's a full-on coincidence Musk and Trump are both of Germanic descent. Deliberate child neglect to make them 'strong' seems to have been built-in to the culture, starting in the 1800s, and then given state-sanctioned support by the Nazis. LINK
Edited by Dave Kopperman on 23 January 2026 at 6:51pm
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 24 January 2026 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | 11
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I think what Musk and Trump have in common are horrible fathers who raised them to be in their image much more so than any sort of lineage that traces back to Germany. My great-great grandparents on my mother’s side moved here in the late 1800s from Germany, putting me as a fourth generation American of Germanic descent. There is no deliberate child neglect on that side of my family but there is on my father’s side whose family traces much, much father back by centuries and is mostly of English descent. That is to say, petty tyrants with aspirations of dictatorship can literally come from anywhere regardless of race.
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Michael Roberts
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| Posted: 24 January 2026 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | 12
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And today there’s another ICE execution.
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