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John Byrne
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Traditionally, the penciler gets the aforementioned 2/3rds of the pages. If it’s layouts or breakdowns, half. Neal Adams used to say ALL the books should be inked on overlay, so the penciler would get the pencils back, the inker the inks. (I wonder how that would play with those noodle head “collectors” who want the work to look like the printed page—including, in some cases, colored!!) There was a time when the writers used to get a share of the pages, usually 2. Some writers, like Roger Stern, used to give those pages to the penciler and inker. Others, when the policy was discontinued, complained bitterly. My response was that the letterer was more entitled to a share, having work physically on the page.
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Paul Wills
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Thanks for the explanation. Very cool of Roger Stern.
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Jim Petersman
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| Posted: 21 December 2018 at 9:29pm | IP Logged | 3
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I don't really understand what the "shot to blue line" process involves. Anyone care to enlighten me?
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Gustavo C Cruz
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| Posted: 21 December 2018 at 10:20pm | IP Logged | 4
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I ask the same as Mr. Petersman please.
And meanwhile, my thoughts about the inking, well, for weeks I have thought that this has become such a personal project for you Mr Byrne that you shuold ink it by yourself. You deserve it and you would have a world of fun doing it.
If not, how difficult would be having a different inker every issue or every arc? In honor to the origin of this exercise and because I remember so many names that were mentioned and so many times I thought "Yes, he would be great", "Yes, he would be great too".
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Steve Gumm
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If traditionally inked on blue line, I would think you pair the inked page with the pencil page and then divide the paired pages in the two thirds / one thirds fashion... if the inker agrees.
If he doesn’t agree, then I would think the penciler keeps the penciled pages and the inker keeps the inked pages. As a collector, I would prefer the penciled pages. For the inked pages, it would ALWAYS bug me that the original pencils weren’t underneath.
Edited by Steve Gumm on 21 December 2018 at 11:19pm
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 22 December 2018 at 6:05am | IP Logged | 6
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If traditionally inked on blue line, I would think you pair the inked page with the pencil page and then divide the paired pages in the two thirds / one thirds fashion... if the inker agrees. ••• Somewhere, Neal’s head just exploded!
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 22 December 2018 at 8:26am | IP Logged | 7
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I don't really understand what the "shot to blue line" process involves. Anyone care to enlighten me?•• The pencils are copied in non-repro blue, which is then inked. Sorta like this: 
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Jim Petersman
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| Posted: 22 December 2018 at 11:47am | IP Logged | 8
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The deal remains the same, but now we are dealing with double the pages for each issue. For easy math purposes, let's say that each issue is 30 pages, meaning there will be 60 pages of completed artwork (30 pencils only and 30 inked pages). The penciler retains 2/3rds, or 40 pages (all 30 of his penciled pages and 10 of the blue line inked) and the inker gets 20 pages of his own work over the blue line.
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Richard Stevens
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One would think that the same rules should apply to blue line pages as with pages where the pencils are submitted digitally. (Whatever those rules are.)
The inker is working over something other than the original pencil lines. If JB penciled it on a computer, he wouldn't be forced to destroy the digital files. If a digital penciler receives "X" share of the inked pages, so would a penciler whose work was shot to blue line.
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Wilson Mui
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I imagine having an inker use the blue line also makes it harder for him
to change the drawings.
JB, have you drawn any of the covers yet?
Edited by Wilson Mui on 22 December 2018 at 1:29pm
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Gundars Berzins
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| Posted: 22 December 2018 at 11:56am | IP Logged | 11
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Cool to see the converted blue line page JB.Ahh talking of blue line reminds me of my old keyline paste-up days and using step & repeat cameras.
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Darren Taylor
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| Posted: 22 December 2018 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | 12
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---In the case of something shot to blue, tho, the work is created with that in mind, and the inked pages are as much a part of the whole process as if the inks were on the originals. My work, then, so I would be entitled to the usual 2/3rds share of the pages. Thoughts? ---
Inker sends you 2/3'rds of the inks and you send them 1/3 of the pencils. So both can be sold together...keeping them as a pair for the collectors.
edited to add: Err, obviously the same pages. You don't mischievously send a non matching 1/3rd;)
Edited by Darren Taylor on 22 December 2018 at 12:24pm
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