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John Byrne
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Speaking of old friends—or fiends!—I am SO glad I’m dealing with Sebastian Shaw at this particular point in his career. So much stuff got piled into the character after I left!
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Michael Penn
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| Posted: 07 January 2019 at 7:51am | IP Logged | 2
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I'm so glad I quit reading the X-MEN shortly after you left, JB! I can go right into ELSEWHEN clean!
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Richard Palmgren
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Here's a question:
Elsewhen springs from a point where YOUR vision would've taken the story in a completely different direction. Is there any other point in the run (GS1 - 136) where you would want to change the way things played out?
Not necessarily meaning a point where you disagreed with Chris, but rather a story or plot that you would start another "Elsewhen" series from
(and I'm not being greedy and begging for ANOTHER series, just tossing out a fun hypothetical to pass the time as we wait patiently)
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Vinny Valenti
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| Posted: 07 January 2019 at 9:10am | IP Logged | 4
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"137, actually."
Hah, no significance at all in that number!
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Peter Martin
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Sebastian Shaw? Cool!
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Jeffrey Rice
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| I'm so glad I quit reading the X-MEN shortly after you left, JB! I can go right into ELSEWHEN clean! | |
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Michael, you are a lucky duck!
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Nathan Greno
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There's 137 pages penciled at his point??
WOW
What is that... 6 issues?
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Nathan Greno
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JB: Speaking of old friends—or fiends!—I am SO glad I’m dealing with Sebastien Shaw at this particular point in his career. So much stuff got piled into the character after I left!
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Mind if I ask, are other members of the Hellfire Club finding their way into these new stories? If the answer is a spoiler, please ignore.
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Leigh DJ Hunt
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I see there's a weird rumour circulating about a potential Marvel Classics line coming after Don McGregor mentioned being pleasantly surprised about discussions he's having with Marvel.
Probably nonsense or unrelated but if not...
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Rebecca Jansen
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I kept reading X-Men into the early #190s, and tried it briefly a couple times after that, but I'm willing to forget all of it. Kitty fell asleep at some point and everything has just been a big long crazy nightmare. That works for me. :^)
I did like X-Men #151 & 152. It was an interesting premise having Kitty's parents pull her from Xavier's and send her to Frost's academy. But I ended up really dislking Claremont's writing as it seemed to become a few repeated motifs that got 'darker' each time around. What had seemed engaging in earlier X-Men, Spider-Woman, Iron Fist and Ms. Marvel comics became worn out and even ludicrous; self indulgent. Characters become less real and more ever darker parodies. The last thing I've ever read of his was the six issues of JLA re-introducing the Doom Patrol, and the whole vampires and runaway kids thing was such a tired out bore. The only thing that saved it was the Atom mini adventure within it and Superman becoming a thrall and struggling underneath that. Wonder Woman seemed well written though, and the Nudge and Grunt intro was also interesting. Now maybe I'll be told JB was all the vampires satanic aliens with rituals and New Mutants type kids thing with the high body count, and Claremont was all the things I just mentioned that I liked, but honestly, I see Claremont's name on anything from around 1984 on and I am very wary often to the point of total avoidance.
I'm really wordy today. Anyway, I too would find this Elsewhen more 'real' than what we did get.
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Philippe Negrin
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To think that I fought through The Fall of Mutants and Inferno before saying STOP ! It was horrible and it took me a while to face it...
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 08 January 2019 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | 12
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I see there's a weird rumour circulating about a potential Marvel Classics line coming after Don McGregor mentioned being pleasantly surprised about discussions he's having with Marvel.••• First I’ve heard of this, but I’m not exactly “in the loop” at Marvel.
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