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John Byrne

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Posted: 22 March 2019 at 8:10pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Some examples are; the Tinkerer, the Fiddler, Vulture...

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More Roger Stern, I think!

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Thomas Woods
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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 2:31am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

That's a bit early for the me too movement isn't it?

I don't mind being called Sweetie, sugar, or baby by
women. I get it all the time at food places.

I'm guessing this is not allowed at all towards women at
food places now?
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Philippe Negrin
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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 2:54am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

When I spent a year in the north of England in the 90s, I discovered it was okay for older women to call me "luv" in shops, cafetrias etc. Frankly it freaked me out. 
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 5:16am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Some examples are; the Tinkerer, the Fiddler, Vulture...

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"More Roger Stern, I think!"

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On these examples I was referring to Spider-Man Chapter One and the Jay Garrick story, in which you were the writer for all.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 5:24am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

...when people complain that Sentinels are lame...

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Person, not people. It was Chris who insisted Sentinels are lame. I set out to show him he was wrong—and unfortunately created a storyline he’d mine for the next hundred years or so.

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Jason K Fulton
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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 8:28am | IP Logged | 6 post reply


Keeping in mind that I read your X-Men run AFTER I read your FF run - I never really wrapped my head around the idea that the Sentinels would be able to beat the FF and Doom. They would have found a way to win!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 9:07am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

It's a basic rule: Bad Guys lose because Good Guys win. Not necessarily because the Good Guys represent superior "fire power", but because, to quote Pansy Yokum, "Good will always triumph over Evil because it's nicer!"

Of course, in "Days of Future Past/Mind Out of Time" I didn't have to worry about the Good Guys winning. Just the opposite, in fact. I also didn't have to show HOW the Sentinels won. Convenient!!

(This is something I will be addressing in ELSEWHEN, whatever form it takes. Watch as I ERASE perhaps the Greatest Story I ever came up with!!))

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Eric Ladd
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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 9:30am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

JB, I'm interested to see if/how you address the stories from issues post #137. Last year you mentioned Kurt and Logan's trip up to Canada and the "Days of Future Past" looms as the most influential post Dark Phoenix story before you left the book. What stories or elements from the published book after issue #137 have you eluded to or outright included in Elsewhen? Within the first year of your departure the X-Men crossed paths with Dr. Doom, Arcade and Magneto. You have a very solid track record with all three of these villains.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 9:37am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

MEANWHILE....

For the past few days I have been re-scripting Issue 1, NEW VISIONS style, as overlays on the art. This, of course, means I am being tortured by the art again. At this point, I am tempted to literally erase all the pages, and then re-pencil with my tighter line, based on the gray ghosts that would remain on the page.

Lot of work--but as long as there's ANY potential this might be a First Issue of a Real Series. . . . .

GAHHH!!!!!

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John Byrne

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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 9:48am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Along those lines, here's a peek at what is now the first page, with script.

All the captions and the title are for position only.

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Eric Sofer
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ITEM: In DoFP, it was very clearly established that the sentinels had taken over North America - NOT the world. So while I understand that Doom and T'Challa could be included, they might have also been in their home countries, helping to coordinate the attack against the USA.

But in further iterations, the sentinels had taken over the world. Those fighting back were a resistance force, not opposing nations. Could a team be formed of non-American and Canadian* heroes to try to take on the sentinels?

*Well, and Mexican heroes - but I don't think I know of any.

ITEM: I have found that Mr. Byrne's writing does great work on intensity and action - but the light moments seem a bit lacking. Not fun moments; they're there. But (likely intentionally), the en passant humorous moments seem somewhat rare. (This was not something I noticed in ST:TNV by the way. Those books were so good, I heard the characters in my head, and had I not known better, I'd have sworn I was reading stories from season 4.)

ITEM: This may be a little weird, but I find that almost all characters in Mr. Byrne's stories are superlatives. There are never any villains who are really good but not great, or heroes who simply fail at something - which will occur on occasion, I think. I'm thinking mostly of Fantastic Four and X-Men, but it seemed to occur in Superman and Wonder Woman too. Obviously, it didn't happen all the time; but it seemed that an occasional faux pas might have showed up.

ITEM: Homages to previous stories, with respect to the original creators, seem to abound in Mr. Byrne's stories. Off the top of my head, I think of the Infant Terrible, Wonder Woman's aerodrome (sic?) that formed her invisible jet, Mesmero, Diablo, etc. There IS a history; nothing happens in a historical vacuum. I always love those callbacks.

ITEM: The wry smile. Not a full blown grin or laugh, but that sort of half-twerking of the mouth. Always a delight to see that.

So, some good and not so good tropes from Mr. Byrne.


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Brian Hughes
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Posted: 23 March 2019 at 10:11am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

And now the Tokens are ringing in my head, and will be all day.  Thanks JB.
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