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Peter Martin
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40 years on and still such a dramatic image. Quite a few things going on in that page to get the mentals wheels a-turning. Thanks for sharing it!
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Wallace Sellars
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Bobby ought to be ashamed of himself.
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Rebecca Jansen
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Franklin Richards in these pages is solidly putting to rest any 'Byrne can't draw children' criticism I would say. I ran across a blog entry that showed a couple of Power Pack panels as proof, but I remember much earlier art that would show the opposite like in The Art Of John Byrne book. Anyway, it's great to see Franklin and Sue getting some attention! They add an extra dimension in my opinion.
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John Byrne
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Don’t blame Bobby! The only reason he didn’t join Hank and Warren in that story was that I felt I couldn’t draw him properly in his frozen form. Maybe I’ll correct that absence in ELSEWHEN. After all, I have no problem with “thirteen X-Men”.......
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James Johnson
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Seeing that panel of Jean's lobotomy, I'm taken back to the first time I saw it.
Jerry Bingham did a heck of a job swiping it before I saw the original in print a few years later in 1984.
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John Byrne
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Something I didn’t get to in XHY—I started but couldn’t finish—was Bobby’s somewhat bumpy relationship with his team mates around this time. Eventually I’d realized he was making the same mistake made by so many fans: he was mad at Xavier for faking his death and not telling the team. That was all a retcon, of course, set up to bring Xavier back from the dead—except somehow people got confused. When Xavier recruited the shape-shifting Changeling to impersonate him, he had no way of knowing Changeling would get killed. Changeling declaring himself to be dying of cancer seems to have been folded into the mix as part of the plan, not merely Changeling’s reason for seeking redemption. So, eventually somebody was going to straighten Bobby out on that point.
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Sean Sinclair
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John Byrne wrote:
| Don’t blame Bobby! The only reason he didn’t join Hank and Warren in that story was that I felt I couldn’t draw him properly in his frozen form. Maybe I’ll correct that absence in ELSEWHEN. After all, I have no problem with “thirteen X-Men”....... |
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I'd love to see Bobby in Elsewhen! His presence would make sense given how the Sentinels are hunting so many notable mutants, especially X-Men.
Also, I've always liked your rendition of him, in that one Incredible Hulk annual and Hidden Years.
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Peter Martin
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When Xavier recruited the shape-shifting Changeling to impersonate him, he had no way of knowing Changeling would get killed----------------------------------------------- To paraphrase slightly Shakespeare's Henry V: The King is not bound to answer the particular endings of his soldiers... for he purposes not their death when he purposes their service.
Edited by Peter Martin on 10 April 2020 at 5:17pm
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John Byrne
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Started 13 this morning. Opens with a flashback to the whole shuttle/Jean/Phoenix moment. A bit like salt in the wounds, even after all these years. Must do my best not to be overtly spiteful.
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Bit of a gut-punch seeing that preview this morning. Pristine artistry (as always), but a rewind to tragedy. Sounds like it's cathartic for the author too. So...
Forgive my ignorance...Mr. Byrne, what was the controversy over "the shuttle/Jean/Phoenix moment" from your perspective?
And least I forget, thank you again for this amazing and unexpected gift. This slow-reveal has become a real highlight to each day. (Resurrection/Easter---coincidence?)
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I'm assuming it might have something to do with FF 286 and the powers-that-be inverting the original intent...
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JB: I hope you've all realized this all-out Sentinel war is the one referenced
in "Days of Future Past".
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Pondering this, it seems possible to imagine Jean Grey as a kind of Edith
Keeler between two time lines -- one where she dies on the moon and
"Days of Future Past" erases the Sentinel war -- and another where she
lives and the Sentinel War goes... differently.
But I think this falls down on the difference between these "timelines" being
more than just whether Jean lives or dies in X-Men 137. I seem to remember
that one of the ideas of Elsewhen is that there's no cocoon at the bottom of
Jamaica Bay in this story.
Maybe the Phoenix Force itself is the "Edith Keeler" here!
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