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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 20 April 2020 at 11:28am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

In that Sue Storm pin up... I notice that there is detail behind some windows, and not just blank squares. Someone else I know does the same thing... attention to detail. It separates art from funny pi'tures, I think.
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Tim O Neill
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Posted: 20 April 2020 at 11:28am | IP Logged | 2 post reply


Amazing page, today!!

On the subject of Nightcrawler, I do indeed miss his presence. I think you were
on to something towards the end of the run, when you started to tap into he
and Wolverine as a sort of comedy duo. But I think that potential could go
even deeper as an exploration of their friendship. Their personalities are polar
opposites and the same chemistry that makes for some potential levity can
also bring some interesting character development.

And I know Cockrum created him, but you rendered him better. You captured
his movement better, as you do with so many characters, but its accentuated
with Kurt.




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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 20 April 2020 at 12:14pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Shhh, Larry! You're not supposed to say that out loud.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 20 April 2020 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

My Nightcrawler is slimmer than Dave’s. Not something I did deliberately, but certainly adding to the sense that I draw a more limber Kurt.
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Richard Stevens
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Posted: 20 April 2020 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Yet another example of why Reed is so effective - it's not the powers, it's that brain.

Nightcrawler is great, but this book is so loaded up with characters, it's still extremely satisfying without him. It'll be more of a treat if we have to wait for him a bit.
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 20 April 2020 at 12:43pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I've often said "Byrne does a good thin".

I'm reminded of the Galactus vs Sphinx story during which most of the F.F. were aging rapidly. I actually liked (albeit for all the wrong reasons) the Thing "thinner" version that JB was drawing.
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Sean Sinclair
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Posted: 20 April 2020 at 1:49pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I miss Nightcrawler quite a bit. He's one of my favorite X-Men, and it changes the dynamics of the team when he's not around. But I can survive without him for a while. 
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Michael Genitempo
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Posted: 20 April 2020 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Gotta say I do miss seeing him, but I can understand the needs of the story may mean we won’t see him for a bit.

If Jean comes back to full mental capacity it would be good to see his reaction, as he was hit hard by her death way back when so I imagine he has some strong feelings about their friendship.


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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 21 April 2020 at 2:27am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

I never really understood the 'invisible'-in-shadow-thing. How much shadow? So if I held my hand up in front of his face in broad daylight and the shadow from my hand landed on him, would his face disappear? 

Other than being used to look 'cool' in the odd shot from here and there I didn't get it. However, recently, something JB did through all that up in the air for me. 

It was the page where Nightcrawler teleports to save Kitty falling. She was so scared. Then I thought, well if you were designing a horror character*, you'd want them to be able to just step out of the shadows. Appear out of nowhere, the whole, 'Oh-my-gosh, where is the killer?' horror-schtick. 

As a power, I don't get it but as a tool to aid some cool looking shots, and potentially lead to scenes like the one mentioned above, where people are just crap-scared of him, yeah there are lots you could do.  

* who happened to be a good guy. I guess in some ways, he is like the Thing. The Thing is a grotesque looking 'monster' with a heart of gold. In-so-far as his looks colour peoples opinion of him before his actions. Nightcrawler is like an evil Demon who got raised by Ma & Pa Kent. Nice as pie but makes the hair on the back of your neck stand on end when he walks by. 


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Steven Queen
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Posted: 21 April 2020 at 4:16am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I think what Nightcrawler often brought to the team was a sense that it's probably not all fun and games being a mutant.

His comedic personally seemed to underscore that he had it tougher than most in many ways, and was trying to (over) compensate.

The slimmer Nightcrawler JB drew highlighted that sense of vulnerability.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 21 April 2020 at 6:43am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Nightcrawler’s introduction, literally being chased by an angry mob with clubs and torches, set up a character very different from what he quickly came to be. In many ways he was Dave’s avatar in the book, with a big, swashbuckling personality.

There was the problem, too, as noted, that he just had too many powers. Weird looking, with a prehensile tail, fingers and toes that could grip any surface, strength, agility, glowing eyes—and, oh yes, teleportation. That last one accompanied by a sulfer-and-brimstone effect. Then we found out his blue/black skin was really fur. And, finally, that he was “invisible in shadow”. (At one point Roger Stern commented that Kurt was like Green Lantern’s ring, constantly being able to do things he couldn’t last issue.). When the Stark image inducer became part of the play set, Shooter complained that it was being used too much as a super power itself.

One of my self-assigned mandates on the book was to downplay these aspects, tho I was not entirely successful. Right near the end of my run I finally surrendered, and decided to play Kurt pretty much as Daffy Duck.

(I used the “invisible in shadow” bit when I introduced Manta, as a way of demonstrating her power. Chris chose to write something else, and a unique character was lost.)

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Philippe Pinoli
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Posted: 21 April 2020 at 6:50am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Oh JB...a small device for mankind...I like your
touch, like Kitty phasing through Destiny or JBNM
ending of Satanas loop. Makes me remember my 13
when I drew my own DOFP ending where a dead
skeleton-naked Wolverine unsheathes his claws as a
last mechanical spasm...right on the on/off
sentinels button ! What was (was it one ?) your
idea for the future X-Men last stand ?
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