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Tim O Neill
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Posted: 19 June 2020 at 11:47am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Li'l Phoenix - awwwwwwww

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John Byrne

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Posted: 19 June 2020 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Kid Gladiator represents the rot that has infected Marvel. All those fanboy writers who want to turn Marvel into DC.
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Jeffrey Rice
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Posted: 19 June 2020 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Thank you Tim!! I kept seeing A tiny red head whenever someone wrote "Lil Phoenix"!

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Scott Barnett
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Posted: 19 June 2020 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I keep going back and looking at the second panel of today's page, and I marvel (no pun intended) at the way JB has captured the anatomy of Lilandra-Phoenix with such economy of line.

Somewhere, Joe Kubert is smiling...
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Chris Durnell
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Posted: 19 June 2020 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

What exactly are Phoenix's power divorced from Jean?

Since originally Phoenix was simply a mutant exposed to cosmic radiation, all of Phoenix's powers were simply Marvel Girl's, but at a much higher power level.  They were a supercharged telekinesis and to a lesser extent telepathy, but they were essentially the same as Jean's before.

I don't remember anything being substantially different, although by the time of Dark Phoenix her TK's manipulation of matter seemed to spill over into a manipulation of energy as well.

When Jean Grey returned from the dead, the retcon of the "Phoenix Force" was established, and this was essentially transferred to Rachel Summers who again simply repeated Jean Grey's own initial power set which was later amplified as well.

But now we have Phoenix possessing Lilandra who previously did not possess any superpowers, but still seems to have (Copy) Jean's powers when she was the Phoenix.

So is Lil-Phoenix's power simply a holdover from the Jean incarnation of Phoenix?  Or is it simply more like the "power cosmic" style of Galactus and his heralds?
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John Byrne

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Posted: 19 June 2020 at 7:36pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Patience, grasshopper!

(But you’re asking the right questions.)

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Manuel Soler
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Posted: 20 June 2020 at 8:11am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

"Lilandra who previously did not possess any superpowers"

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Lilandra has limited telepathic abilities whose extent have yet to be clearly defined.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 20 June 2020 at 8:20am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Sorry but Mr.Byrne already did show in Fantastic Four #250 that Gladiator has vulnerabilities, not only mental (as when Reed Richards made him doubt about his abilities) but also physical as when affected by an specific radiation.

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Any of those led to his destruction?

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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 20 June 2020 at 2:07pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

When Dark Phoenix essentially finds ultimate personal fulfillment in "eating" a
star, we are light years away from "Marvel Girl, turned up to 11 by Cosmic
Rays."

Lilandra sees one of her friends killed by Dark Phoenix and recognizes the
shape as something she and her advisors had feared, she says, since Phoenix
appeared.

I had a feeling when I first read that, which may have been wrong, but made
me think Phoenix was a creature of legend in Shi'ar culture at least.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 20 June 2020 at 4:01pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

You got it!
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Manuel Soler
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Posted: 20 June 2020 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I had a feeling when I first read that, which may have been wrong, but made me think Phoenix was a creature of legend in Shi'ar culture at least.

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Well I don't know when people stopped reading the X-Men but this was a bit addressed during Ed Brubaker's stay in the Uncanny X-Men (around 2006-7) with the character of Korvus Rook'Shir (although I found the thing with the Blade of the Phoenix a bit strange).
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 21 June 2020 at 3:22pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Y'know, these ancient, star-spanning civilizations just might know a few things... ;)
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