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Eric Sofer
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Phoenix unleashed, and putting Gladiator DOWN. Thus endeth THAT discussion.
And the end of the Imperial Guard. I can't say I'll truly miss them a lot - I can go reread my Legion of Super Heroes books if I desire that aspect, if not the exact characters.
It does point out something that has long had me pondering. Just being a Legionnaire (or an Avenger or a JLA'er) doesn't guarantee victory. If the Legion is taking on, say, Mordru, that's a lot of force - but Invisible Kid, Shrinking Violet, and Matter-Eater Lad need to be pretty clever to contribute to the degree that Mon-El, Element Lad, or Lightning Lad do.
It was well demonstrated in reverse during the Celestial Madonna story when Kang battled the active Avengers - who at that point included Hawkeye and the Swordsman, accompanied by Immortus in disguise. And Hawkeye reflected that they were the two weakest Avengers up again Iron Man, the Vision, and Thor (in parasitical android shells.) He wondered what chance they had. That's kinda the point.
It doesn't seem that much of the Imperial homeworld is gonna survive... but at least Lilandra didn't consume it.
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Wallace Sellars
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QUOTE:
| Phoenix unleashed, and putting Gladiator DOWN. Thus endeth THAT discussion. |
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Huh?
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Jim Burdo
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Wallace Sellars wrote:
Gladiator was defeated by Cannonball. That's right... Cannonball.
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Cannonball used the same method the Reed used in FF #250, so it makes sense.
John Byrne wrote:
| Kid Gladiator represents the rot that has infected Marvel. All those fanboy writers who want to turn Marvel into DC. |
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Gladiator is already an expy of Superman in an expy of the Legion of Superheroes, so is an expy of Superboy really out of line?
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John Byrne
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Yes. It’s all about how many times they play the same card.
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Steven Queen
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S-P-O-K! John Byrne's Dark Phoenix: beat Superman, then s'ploded Colossal Boy's head, and (in one caption) decimated the entire Legion of Super Heroes!
Tell us JB...how good did that feel?
Edited by Steven Queen on 22 June 2020 at 8:56am
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Wallace Sellars
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| Cannonball used the same method the Reed used in FF #250, so it makes sense. |
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Cannonball used his power in a way that had never been shown before in order to make Gladiator doubt himself. Oh, and the Imperial Guard leader doubted himself after a single blow failed to kill Sam?
That doesn't work for me in the same way the Strontian was overcome in the manner Reed devised.
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Yes.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 22 June 2020 at 9:32am | IP Logged | 7
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I did a character at DC called Magpie. She was a total nutbar, and part of—PART OF—her besting by Superman and Batman involved yanking off her elaborate wig. The next writer to use her had her beaten when somebody—wait for it—yanked off her wig. Writers often lock on the most simplified versions of character strengths and weaknesses. It’s called bad writing, and, sadly, it’s not scarce in comics.
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Brian Miller
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We all knew it was coming, yet it was still hard to see/read. Masterfully
done.
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Michael Genitempo
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That smirk just gets me -total confidence/ enjoyment in using her power I suppose.
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Eric: It doesn't seem that much of the Imperial homeworld is gonna survive... but at least Lilandra didn't consume it.
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We haven't seen the rest of this sequence yet. Lilandra might well consume the homeworld's native star.
Pretty chilling the way she walked through her own elite troops, killing them with barely a thought except for taking evident pleasure in killing. It sets up nicely that the team that brought down the X-Men was thrashed in moments... and now Phoenix will soon be on her way to Earth, catching up with the "now."
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John Byrne
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One of my favorite, most thrilling, most goosebumps inducing moments in THE LORD OF THE RINGS, by Tolkien, is Eowyn vs the King of the Nazghul. Blew me away. Thus, I was amazed, a few years ago when I reread the trilogy for the first time in a couple of decades, to discover that incredible scene is... one paragraph. You guys are giving me the impression I have accomplished something similar with just a few words in a few captions. Thanks! Cockles is warmed!
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Steven Queen
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I for one was very impressed at the way today's page conveys the portent of what Lilandra/Phoenix did without excessive, drawn-out, explicit violence. That line, "...violence too terrible to behold" is a master-stroke of good story telling.
What's the phrase we don't see much anymore? "Graphic violence?"
In this case, less was more, and the effect was powerful. Like Tolkien, it's not what he shows you, but what lies hidden that draws our imagination and fascination.
You nailed it.
Edited by Steven Queen on 22 June 2020 at 1:12pm
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