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Steven Queen
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Yes the vista of that top panel, looking at the planetary limb, is spectacular. My eye lingered on that for quite awhile.

I also just noticed the angry pilot-alien with the insane oblong head (lower-left). His expression offers some degree of comic-relief I missed in the initial read.

Also another thematic connection I missed: Phoenix/Sh'air Legend/Bird People = duh.

Also I cannot get over how "pure" and "perfect" your pencils are here and how altered they become by inkers. It's almost as if ELSEWHEN and The Hidden Years were done by two different artists that went to the same art school.  You've also chosen to depict Jean very differently here (to my eye at least).

My prediction for how we've going to get out of this pickle: the sole-survivor of the asparagus people who's world Jean/Phoenix ate returns, wielding the power cosmic, and exacts his revenge---saving the X-men and restoring justice! (...err...I've been wrong before. Truthfully, more often than not.)

Edited by Steven Queen on 23 June 2020 at 9:20am
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John Byrne

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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 9:57am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

So close........
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 12:14pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Wallace S. - I meant that, straight up, Phoenix beat Gladiator. That seems to be the answer to the question of "Who wins?"

Jim B. - To draw much too fine a point, the Imperial Guard was a copy of the Legion. So Gladiator is Superboy, not Superman*. Personally, I thought he was Mon-El, which would solve everything. And now that I've tried to make WAY too much soup out of this one bone.

*Okay, there were a couple stories with Superman in the Legion. I have officially finished polishing this turd. :)

Andrew B. - Perhaps I should have said, "Not yet." And of course, she would consume the star, not the planet. Thanks.

Steve Q. (and Mr. Byrne) - I think the best tension and action is when it's set up by the creator, but then left to us to imagine the actual event. My imagination is MUCH scarier than something someone else has thought of (although Mr. Byrne is pretty damned suspenseful!) For instance... "And now inside the Phoenix... something else stirs." Did she actually eat the Shrinking Violet cognate? That's what came to my mind.

The effects are like magic. It's something like the best movie special effects.. but in my head, I see entirely amazing series of explosions and weapons fire and the Phoenix, soaring like a bird of death, sowing destruction. One can only wonder what she will reap.

Heavens, I just hope it's not Captain Universe to the rescue...


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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Also another thematic connection I missed: Phoenix/Sh'air Legend/Bird People = duh.

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Dave Cockrum apparently liked birds! He also designed Deathbird, who at first was not even Sh'iar.
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 12:41pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I'd like to share a blog quote from a Hungarian author named Gabor Lux. I think he sums up perfectly my feelings with regard to the Unexplored and the brilliance of Tolkien's writing style:

 Gabor Lux wrote:

...the magic of the "beyond" is a fundamental part of sense of wonder - that beyond the discovered world, there is more, and it is fundamentally unknown. In Tolkien, it is found in the corners of the world LotR does not describe, or the parts of Moria which stay in darkness - doors leading to sealed places, untold watery depths, and so on.



This is what is also being achieved here with ELSEWHEN, and all good works of fiction. The story elements are Mythic and Mysterious. We glimpse them, but we never really understand all their mechanism. Over quantification would steal their magic and wonder. 

We don't need the details of how Phoenix defeats Gladiator...it enough that she simply does---in this one time, and this one place.

Epic.


Edited by Steven Queen on 23 June 2020 at 12:48pm
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Andrew: I like how the Phoenix shapes itself to its host in subtle ways-- that's a nice, understated effect and tells us a bit about the Phoenix too.

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I was about to post the same thing. The true good of what happened with Jean/Phoenix (until it went tragically bad) is being filled in here. Jean and Phoenix joined (somehow or other) and saved the universe.

Apparently, that is not the only way it could have worked out.
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

 John Byrne wrote:

So close........


The brussel sprout people?

Edited by Steven Queen on 23 June 2020 at 12:47pm
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Also another thematic connection I missed: Phoenix/Sh'air Legend/Bird
People = duh.

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Holy shit. How did I (we) miss this for all these years?
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Tim O Neill
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply



I'm so glad we're getting to see the whole Lilandra/Phoenix evolution - this
issue is really wonderful.


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Michael Genitempo
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 1:26pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

My prediction for how we've going to get out of this pickle: the sole-survivor of the asparagus people who's world Jean/Phoenix ate returns, wielding the power cosmic, and exacts his revenge---saving the X-men and restoring justice! (...err...I've been wrong before. Truthfully, more often than not.)

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Just as long as it isn't Squirrel Girl! :-)
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Steve: [PREDICTS:} ...the sole-survivor of the asparagus people who's world Jean/Phoenix ate returns, wielding the power cosmic, and exacts his revenge---saving the X-men...

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Fun idea, but I'm not sure these two concepts can live together. It would take some Buddha-level forgiveness for any Asparagus-person to separate the X-Men from those deserving harsh justice!
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 1:37pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

 Mark Haslett wrote:

It would take some Buddha-level forgiveness for any Asparagus-person to separate the X-Men from those deserving harsh justice!

Vegetable-people are notoriously Zen.
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