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Brennan Voboril
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | 1
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Mark I don't believe the New York Times is RT propaganda, do you?
The former chief of staff for Azov is somehow a Kremlin agent?
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | 2
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Kremlin talking points are Kremlin talking points, Brennan, where ever they come from.
Whose agenda is currently served by digging Ukraine an early grave?
Who is here doom-splaining Ukraine's chances in spite of widely sourced evidence that Europe is moving to meet this crisis and that many experts don't agree with your assessment?
Just come clean: what is your agenda?
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | 3
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Brennan wrote:
| Seriously, what the US provides can't be replaced |
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Brennan wrote:
| As far as Trump goes, I don't think he, or any US president, has a lot of leverage on Russia in this case. |
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So, the US has played an irreplaceable part in the conflict against Russia but, simultaneously, the president who is cutting off that irreplaceable support has no leverage on Russia?
Doesn't seem to add up.
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Brennan Voboril
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | 4
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Peter what I mean is this: even if Trump gave Ukraine everything it would not matter, except to prolong the inevitable. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.
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Brennan Voboril
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 8:29pm | IP Logged | 5
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Mark the only people who are saying Ukraine can win this war are those who have thought so since 2022. I mean journalists, so-called experts, etc. Ukraine could have never defeated Russia. I'ver known this since the beginning. It just doesn't have the manpower, or the equipment, or the industrial base to produce that equipment. Russia hasn't even mobilized and is out-producing the entire West in terms of munitions. It has vast resources not even called on. What were people thinking? It's sad. Tragic. And, the longer this goes on, the more Ukraine will lose.
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | 6
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It’s like Putin himself posts here.
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David Miller
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I have every faith that Ukraine will hold out against Russia as long as the
Iraqi insurgency held out against the United States. Imperialist regimes
dismiss at their peril the determination of patriots fighting for their homes.
Speaking of Iraq, it’s interesting how the born against pacifists in the
Republican Party calling for Ukraine to accept their destiny as a Russian
colony were equally vocal about the US maintaining a permanent conquest
of Iraq, at least back before they decided the invasion was a Democrat
project the GOP opposed from the beginning.
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Brennan Voboril
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 8:41pm | IP Logged | 8
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David I would tend to agree if, and it is a big if, Russia decided to occupy the western oblasts. In the east most of the people are pro-Russian. There won't be any opposition to Russia there.
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Brennan Voboril
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | 9
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Mark my source for Russian industrial production is none other than RUSI (the Royal United Services Institute). Once I read their excellent The Return of Industrial Warfare of June 2022 I knew who would win this war. That report has been corroborated time and time again. I scoffed at the "Russia is fighting with shovels, on donkeys, stealing microchips our of washing machines for their missiles" propaganda. All wars have propaganda. This one is no different.
RUSI is a nearly 200 year old British defense and security think tank started by the Duke of Wellington - not Putin.
Edited by Brennan Voboril on 05 March 2025 at 8:48pm
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Mark Haslett
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800,000 Russian casualties are being replaced by North Korean troops
because Russia just likes to play its food before it eats.
Believe what you want, Brennan. The facts will always speak for themselves.
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Brennan Voboril
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 9:14pm | IP Logged | 11
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Odd, that none of these "North Korean" troops have been captured. Not even one. ;-)
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 05 March 2025 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | 12
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Feels like this conversation has reached its natural, exhausting conclusion. How about you guys agree to disagree and move on to some of the batshit crazy that Trump waxed not poetically on last night?
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