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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 20 September 2024 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

So what should the cuts target, then?
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 20 September 2024 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Eliminate deficient spending (i.e. spending more that you take in).  This is at the heart of the Fed's money-printing machine thinking.

In FY 2023 total government spending was $6.13 trillion and total revenue was $4.44 trillion, resulting in a deficit of $1.70 trillion, an increase of $320 billion from the previous fiscal year.

I have many places in mind where we are spending uselessly, but to give voice to them here would incite a dog-pile of counter-opinions (I think) and be choked full of my personal biases of what (as an engineer) is critical and what is "fluff" that the government should not be doing.  I'm impressed and like Argentina's Milei who is unabashedly a libertarian radical (I am not) fighting against a century of socialism corruption.  But it may surprise you that I think our intelligence agencies (as proxies for the DoD and State Dept) have run amok trying to have "full spectrum dominance" across the world.  We are a country with 4% of the world population trying to control everything everywhere.  I hate the neocons (e.g. Chaney who currently is endorsing Harris).

How about an across-the-board percentage-reduction of departments until we are within say 110% of revenues? (not 138%)  Let the individual departments themselves decide what is essential and what is fat.

That doesn't address the debt at all (need budget surpluses or other fiscal tricks), but it would be an amazing start.   Let's be honest.  We are not at war.  There are no global emergencies (except the ones we are fabricating).  It's time to get the house in order and stockpile some reserves for future hardships.


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Steven Queen
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Posted: 20 September 2024 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

There's also dark money: i.e. funds for secret programs that even Congress is not allowed to know how much it is because that might allow someone to infer what's being done with it.

Talk about utterly unchecked power!  With all this secrecy and government incited censorship, how are the citizen of a free nation suppose to make informed choices? 

"By the People" indeed!


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Andrew Davey
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Posted: 20 September 2024 at 6:13pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

How to fix the Debt (a modest proposal)

Step 1 - Congress delegates the power of setting tax rates to an independent body.
Step 2 - Independent body is made up of accountants, actuaries, and economists.
Step 3 - Independent body devises the mathematical calculation for tax rates. Within a certain level of GDP deficit on a net present value factor. Tax rates are automated. Some consideration for the economic cycle, rates auto lower during recession and rise during recoveries. Providing an auto gas/brake as needed without political interference.
Step 4 - Congress argues and passes the bills on how to spend the money for the country for what is important. Guns vs butter. If they spend to much, we, the current taxpayers begin to feel the pain now and can vote accordingly. Future generations will not feel the brunt of our lack of responsibility for our actions.
Step 5 - Congress is held accountable on a semi-real time basis (every 2 years) by the voters for the choices they make. You can't spend and not tax. You must debate what is important to the majority of the people. Debate and compromise,
Step 6 - Problem solved Utopia breaks out.
Step 7 - Constant review of the process to make sure no one is gaming the system. New problem found? Repeat fix.
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 20 September 2024 at 6:19pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

On GDP growth, here's the inflation adjusted graph (also adjusted by population)



You can see that once you take inflation and population growth out, it's pretty linear.

However, it's even worse than you might guess since Federal spending is part of GDP and we know that has greatly increased, especially in the last 8 years.  In fact, once nearly 1 million jobs were quietly adjusted out of the last year's inflated monthly reports --- almost all the remaining jobs added were federal.



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Steven Queen
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Posted: 20 September 2024 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Not bad Andrew!  Have you heard Warren Buffet's solution? 

“I could end the deficit in five minutes. You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP all sitting members of congress are ineligible for reelection.”
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