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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 08 October 2024 at 10:46pm | IP Logged | 1
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Charles wrote:
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For the same reason I vote Democratic up and down the ticket, in spite of the party's many many many flaws: they operate in a world I recognize as closest to reality, have a greater dedication to objective truth than the other options, and seem to have a functional moral center.
And as before, I'm only ever going to take the double question mark and capitalization/italics for emphasis as meaning your post is intended to sound incredulous.
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Steven Queen
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Dave Kopperman wrote:
...they operate in a world I recognize as closest to reality... |
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This is a profound statement.
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Steven Queen
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Peter Martin wrote:
Just providing an update on the state of the US economy, which briefly became part of this thread: the US added quarter of a million jobs in September, a much better number than expected There were also substantial upward revisions to the number previously reported for July and August (a combined upward revison of 72k) and these numbers would seem to dispel any fears of an economic slowdown, let alone a recession. |
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Nearly all were government jobs.
Another about GDP
Edited by Steven Queen on 09 October 2024 at 12:48pm
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ron bailey
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So what metrics should we go by from month to month if not these?
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Brad Wilders
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Steven, that's just not true . Only 31,000 of the 254,000 jobs created in September were government employment. And, almost all of those are state and local government jobs.
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Mark Haslett
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Steven: Nearly all were government jobs.
Brad: Steven, that's just not true . Only 31,000 of the 254,000 jobs created in September were government employment. And, almost all of those are state and local government jobs. (Backed up by the simple and easy to read U.S. Bureau of Statistics report that PROVES Steven is wrong).
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This is a trend with the right wing: misrepresenting facts to justify their policy.
And by "trend" I mean "their go-to move, with very few exceptions, for the last 50 years."
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Brad Wilders
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To be fair to Steven, if you google the assertions being made in the Twitter video that he linked to, you can find several articles--in purported media sources I have never heard of, which I suspect are agenda-driven--showing charts and graphs supporting the assertion Steven made.
But I couldn't find any credible basis for the statistics they were showing. Several cite the BLS report even though the report doesn't say anything close to what is being represented.
There is just a vast amount of misinformation being created and touted by supposed experts to drive these narratives.
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John Byrne
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Well, it worked for ol’ Adolf!
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Peter Martin
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The factual breakdown of the jobs report is that of the 254k new jobs, some notable gainers were: 31k in government, 69k in food and drink, 45k in healthcare, 25k in construction.
Average hourly wages were 4% higher than a year ago.
If you look at the household survey part of the report (different survey to the establishment survey which gave the +254k non-farm payrolls), it showed full-time positions were up 414k and part-time jobs were down 95k.
It's hard to see it as a weak indicator.
Edited by Peter Martin on 09 October 2024 at 6:17pm
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Jason Czeskleba
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It's hard not to conclude that the internet/social media will eventually be the downfall of the US government as we know it. It's simple to put an inaccurate video on twitter and find millions who will credulously accept it as fact because it comports with their pre-existing worldview. Peoples' willingness to believe what they see online (regardless of source) makes it impossible to counter the spread of lies/disinformation. When the fate of the country is being decided largely by people who believe things that are flat-out untrue, we are pretty well screwed.
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 09 October 2024 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | 11
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@Steven: it's not worth even commenting on the points of either of those videos. The mission of the Heritage Foundation is to further the Conservative agenda and take any and all information and bend it to serve that goal.
If you want people to engage in a serious debate about economic policy, linking to such a nakedly biased source is only going to have opposite the intended effect.
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 09 October 2024 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | 12
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I'm reminded of a great quote from one of C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy (I think Perelandra) that popped out to me as I was reading it in the days leading up to the 2016 election and it was becoming clear that Trump's endless fog of bullshit was remaking the media landscape:
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