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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 09 October 2024 at 9:03pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The US Supreme Court allowing the Biden Administration to pressure Elon Musk's Twitter/X in removing misinformation on its platform before the Election. LINK

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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 3:19am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I note the "usual suspects" of justices were amonh the dissenters.


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Steven Queen
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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I'm pretty sure I didn't link to a Heritage Foundation web page directly, just those short little Peter Onge videos (I enjoy his sarcasm).  I see he has Heritage Foundation connections, but that's not enough for me to turn a deaf-ear to everything he says.  We are (not yet!) an Orwellian nation where non-party members must be silenced.

In his defense, I have heard a few things from Dr. Onge that later were confirmed by mainstream, left-learning media sources---often NPR, which I consume daily during the car ride to work.

Here's another link to a site that tries to breakdown the math that explains the discrepancy between the 31K and 785K numbers which is due to year-to-date corrections by the Beaurea of Labor Stats (BLS).



I admit I don't watching BLS reports and do the math myself, so I can't say I've personally caught them fudging numbers.  However, I do recall the Federal Reserve of Philly claims to have on at least one occasion.  I certainly do not put it above the current regime to play politics with statistics, and that's probably the big mental divide at work here---I operate from a place of low-trust of the state, having seen enough false propaganda over the years.  

For example, I was rather upset to learn that the COVID vaccine (I received) was not a traditional vaccine, but instead mRNA gene therapy with permanent consequences for myself and my children.  mRNA tech was sitting on the shelf, and known to have some serious flaws, but received rapid approval because of the pandemic---corporate greed and regulation-institutional capture playing its part in the decision.  For me, Medical trust was broken, I felt misled (no informed consent), and I realized doctors can also be political pawns.  They got added to my mental "watch list".

As partisans, we are all more likely to believe good things about "our team", and discard the bad as misinformation.  Regardless of where you fall, I think it's a mistake to discard our responsibility as citizens in a democracy and not to remain skeptical of those in power.  It's an important feedback mechanism that checks totalitarians.  Free speech, even if it's the freedom to spout what others doubt (or knee-jerk denounce as lies), is essential to make sure we are not being led down the prim-rose path to our own exploitation.  It's hard and uncomfortable, but necessary.  The number of "conspiracy theories" that turn out later to be publicly acknowledged as "true" is not an insignificant percentage.  Someone has to be outside the Overton window for awhile, before it starts to move.  

As a free citizen, I should have access to all the information.  Some will turn out to be true, and some false---and much a mixed-bag.  It's on me to avoid getting fooled and find sources I trust.  I don't need (or want) a "Big Brother" protecting me from ideas---especially when it's not actually a real relative of mine, but often some giant money-printing/laundering machine of the well-connected.

That said, if you have info on why Dr. Onge is an unreliable source other than guilt-by-association (although I already know some of his biases & can compensate), I'd be thankful for the tip.  Experience suggests that it's a mistake of hubris to assume that everyone on the "other team" has zero talent or wits.

If sharing these counter-narrative datum is objectionable on this site,  I will desist.  This is, after all, a JB fan site (I have always truly loved his work!) and not a debate society.  I am clearly rubbing against the communal grain.  I got the blunt message already about speaking out about favored/unfavored political candidates, but can steer clear of counter-narrative economics as well.  To be up-front about it, having all you "lefties" attack me seemed a good way to make sure I'm not just in an political echo-chamber.


Edited by Steven Queen on 10 October 2024 at 2:01pm
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Michael Penn
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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 1:37pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply


Ouch.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 3:26pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Again I despair. The stupidity of some Americans cannot be overstated. Trumf has become a litmus test for the intelligence of the Nation.
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Scott Wagahoff
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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

This is not a new statement or thought but continues to be so, so frustrating that Harris will likely win the popular vote (and by a considerable amount I bet), but is in danger of losing due to only a few states. 

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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 5:25pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Is it too late to start drinking?
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 5:45pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

START drinking?
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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 5:46pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Virtual tea-totaller, here.
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 5:54pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I'm one of those NOVID people, and I'm starting to suspect that keeping my cells lightly stewed in an alcohol marinade is what's kept me Corona-free since 2020.
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Anyone following any of Harris's media appearances this week?  I watched the Stern one, which was particularly good once they got past the Trump stuff. Only thing I remain a little weirded out with Harris about is her repeated line about the U.S. Armed Forces being the 'most lethal' around. I appreciate the sentiment and vocal support for the military, but that's a pretty loaded turn of phrase.  

Also watched the 60 Minutes one and found it kinda a snore, though that's the format and not the candidate.  I used to think 60 Minutes was just for old people, but I'm 53 and still not on their wavelength.  I did like the surprisingly strong chemistry she had with Liz Cheney, oddly enough.  I could live with Liz Cheney in the cabinet, though not as Secretary of Defense, please.

Otherwise, strong showings.  Not sure how it's going to push the needle, but she's definitely 
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Jason Czeskleba
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Posted: 10 October 2024 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

 Michael Penn wrote:
Ouch.

I agree with your overall concern, but I do want to point out that Oregon does not belong on that chart.  The "polling average" which puts Harris only 5 points ahead of Trump in Oregon is based on exactly one poll, which was conducted in July right after Biden dropped out.  Oregon is not anywhere close to being a swing state, and Harris will win there by a double-digit margin. 

Yes, this doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about the actual swing states.  But I wanted to point that out, because if Oregon actually was in play we would really be screwed.  Things are worrisome, but they're not THAT bad (at least not yet).   


Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 10 October 2024 at 8:37pm
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