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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 17 October 2024 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | 1
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Excellent video, Kevin... but unfortunately hard for many to believe... and then there's that pesky ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
-C!
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Peter Hicks
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| Posted: 17 October 2024 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | 2
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“ One thing's for sure. After nearly a decade in the political spotlight voters know who/what Trump is. If they want four more years of that it isn't based on ignorance.”************* As a Canadian, I have to take a deep breath sometimes and remind myself not to get emotionally invested in US politics. Americans have a different mindset and values than Canadians. Americans are going to pick whoever they want to pick for President, and if it’s Trump, they will get exactly they deserve.
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 17 October 2024 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | 3
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We’ve known what Trump is since what, the mid-80s? The problem is it no
longer mattered.
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 17 October 2024 at 6:27pm | IP Logged | 4
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Americans are going to pick whoever they want to pick for President, and if
it’s Trump, they will get exactly they deserve.
*****
That’s a pretty broad statement. I don’t feel that I deserve a Trump
presidency at all.
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 17 October 2024 at 9:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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Peter Hicks wrote:
| Americans are going to pick whoever they want to pick for President, and if it’s Trump, they will get exactly they deserve. |
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The people who vote for Trump will get exactly what they deserve, but that won't be a majority of Americans. It likely won't even be a majority of the Americans who cast a vote in this election. If Trump wins, a majority of Americans will not be getting "who they want" for president. That is the frustrating thing.
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 18 October 2024 at 1:56pm | IP Logged | 6
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Looking at the movement of the polls for the last three weeks, Harris has remained steady nationally at around 48.5%, while Trump has steadily ticked up about a half a point to 46.1%. Most likely (to me), that's the last of the RFK jr. supporters aligning back to Trump, but who knows?
The battleground states have followed suit. Consequently, the 538 Forecast went from D:60/R:40 odds to where it stands today, at D:52/R:48.
Edited by Dave Kopperman on 18 October 2024 at 1:56pm
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Peter Hicks
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| Posted: 18 October 2024 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | 7
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I read an interesting theory yesterday (which may be completely incorrect) that the Trump campaign is gaming the polling situation by commissioning lots of polls from firms that tend to provide Republican leaning results. This creates the impression it is a neck and neck race rather than Trump being prematurely written off as dead in the water.
Even if the theory is true, and the appearance of a close race pushes more Republican voters to the ballot box, it would also tend to equally push more Democrats to the ballot box, so the outcome is the same.
Then again, Trump has shown repeatedly with his approach to legal issues that he would rather delay the inevitable if it looks unpleasant. So who knows? As they say in Montreal, "Vote early, and vote often!"
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 18 October 2024 at 3:13pm | IP Logged | 8
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That needle moves fast! Now it's Harris 48.4%/Trump 46.3%, and those battlegrounds are (sorry, Redd) tighter than a gnat's ass stretched over an oil drum.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 18 October 2024 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | 9
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Nearly half of American voters support Trumf. I can think of nothing that depresses me more.
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 18 October 2024 at 3:54pm | IP Logged | 10
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I sort of get the race-based alignment because Trump actually does deliver on that front - if you're a white Christian supremacist, he's got a proven track record of making life hell for black and brown people and Muslim immigrants. Where America can always be counted on to do the wrong thing, it's about race.
It gets especially depressing when you look at the traditionally Democratic groups (like manufacturing union members) who throw their support behind Trump. If you're a union member and think that a Trump administration and the ensuing four decades of ultra-conservative Federal and Supreme Courts is going to be kind to the working class, you are a class-A moron.
Edited by Dave Kopperman on 18 October 2024 at 3:55pm
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ron bailey
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| Posted: 18 October 2024 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 11
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... I can think of nothing that depresses me more. .............. How about more than half?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 18 October 2024 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | 12
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Not (yet) an extant condition.
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