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Darren Taylor
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 11:58am | IP Logged | 1
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In the time it takes Thor to wind up a throw... Superman could have thrown as many punches at full strength as someone as fast as the Flash could throw... (Even if their strength/invulnerability negate each other, say that was like an entire boxing match worth of punches landed on the other boxer just after the bell - heck ten boxing matches... it wouldn't matter.)
If Superman fails to move, relying on his invulnerability and is hit by Mjolnir... goodnight.
Is Thor's lightening regular lightening or is it magical... In which case... that's probably death for Superman right there.
I'm sure any number of inventive ways could be found for either to top the other... I'd buy it... wait, who's writing and who's drawing?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | 2
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We range here into the basic problems of writing super-powered characters. Roger Stern used to say it would be impossible to write The Flash accurately, as each issue would have to have about 100 mini-stores of two panels each: Flash chasing badguy, Flash depositing badguy in jail.
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Brandon Carter
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | 3
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Most of us have probably seen portrayals of super speed in movies or television where most characters and objects are motionless while the super speed character(s) run around doing things. Is this how those with super speed would perceive things? If Flash can run around the Earth several times in a second but has to perceive it similar to a normal human running around the Earth while everything was frozen in time, that one second could be maddening to experience.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 2:38pm | IP Logged | 4
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There was an episode of THE WILD WILD WEST that played off the everything-else-is-frozen portrayal of super speed. At one point the villain holds out a flask at arm’s length, releases it, and it remains suspended in the air. Unfortunately, limitations of the technology of the time meant we had to crank up our willing suspension of disbelief as curtains moved aside when walked through, etc. I’ve sometimes wondered how movement was possible at all, with air molecules frozen in place. Rather like being embedded in concrete.
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 7:55pm | IP Logged | 5
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The air friction would be hot and uncomfortable!
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Brian Floyd
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Base level, if Thor tries to fight Superman without using Mjolnir, he's unconscious within 30 seconds. If he uses Mjolnir, it depends on if he can actually manage to hit Superman.
Thor might have more experience, but Superman's powers give him too much of an edge.
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | 7
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QUOTE:
| Is Thor's lightening regular lightening or is it magical... In which case... that's probably death for Superman right there. |
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I'd say the lightning itself is not magical. It's conjured via magic, but the lightning itself is regular lightning. Just as if Thor conjured rain, it would not be magic rain, just good old rain.
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Wallace Sellars
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 10:59pm | IP Logged | 8
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Darren Taylor wrote:
| In the time it takes Thor to wind up a throw... Superman could have thrown as many punches at full strength as someone as fast as the Flash could throw. |
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While that it probably true, I don’t think I’ve ever seen Superman fight that way… Even when taking on someone as tough as Solomon Grundy.
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Brian Miller
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You guys are acting like Thor is coming into this a virgin. He’s been battling
all manner of beasts and gods for thousands of years. Plus, he’s no powder
puff. He’s a tough as they come.
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Athanasios Kollias
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| Posted: 12 September 2025 at 4:22am | IP Logged | 10
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Superman's enemies are almost always portrayed as super fast themselves, in order to negate Superman's advantage. Thor has never been presented as super fast.
Brian, I am not selling Thor short, it's just that Superman's bag of tricks is too overwheming.
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Richard Fisher
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OK, maybe I'm not up on Superman villains but beside Bizarro and Zod I can't think of a single Superman villain with super speed.
Luthor, Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday, Parasite, Metallo, Mxyzptlk, Toyman, Livewire, Silver Banshee. None have super speed
Who am I missing?
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