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Eric Smearman
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| Posted: 24 December 2024 at 5:38pm | IP Logged | 1
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The woman's face still looks very Byrne. The Peter Parker
face looks like it could be by Byrne or Paul Ryan. Your
Mileage May Vary.
Now that I've been reminded (Thanks, Doug!), I have seen a
little of JB inked by Mooney and it looks better than I
ever would have expected.
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Steven Myers
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I recently re-read that Spectacular issue of Spider-Man. He fights the ringer and it has an excellent script by Roger Stern. The art has a JB look but is a bit unsettling. And I've always loved JB's Spider-Man.
As to inking and pay, I remember reading that John Buscema liked inking but usually took penciling assignments instead because they paid more. Nothing wrong with working to pay your bills!
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John Byrne
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There’s clearly confusion over when the real money started happening. DC introduced royalties before Marvel, structuring them so that they wouldn’t actually have to pay on many of their books with lower sales. At the time, people said there was no way Marvel would follow suit, as most of their books would command at least some royalties. (This scrambled timeline has shown up before. I have told of one guy at MidOhioCon who was most upset that I had “become a millionaire” because of my royalties from UNCANNY X-MEN. He was in no way interested in the fact that Marvel did not then pay royalties—what they called “incentives” in order to avoid even a whisper of implied ownership—and even if they had X-MEN sales were so low there would have been little recompense forthcoming.)
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 24 December 2024 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | 4
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Fortuitous really -- consistently the best inker for JB has been himself over the years.
I particularly enjoyed the inking you did on the Namor run.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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| Posted: 24 December 2024 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 5
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I definitely prefer the FF issues where you inked yourself, JB. But damn, must have been a lot of work!
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 24 December 2024 at 9:00pm | IP Logged | 6
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Because Batman was my favorite character when I was a kid, “Bob Kane” was my favorite artist. And I noticed he had several different styles, adjusting them, apparently, to fit the story. This planted an almost subliminal need in my young brain—that stories/characters/series should have their own visual identity. This of course crossed over into the inks.
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Eric Jansen
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One of the funnest things for me first enjoying comics was discovering how fascinating different art teams could be!
I enjoyed pretty much anybody inking Sal Buscema, but when Klaus Janson started inking him on DEFENDERS--Wow!
Same thing with John Byrne! Almost any inker on Byrne was good, but some were magic. Rubinstein on CAPTAIN AMERICA was as good as comics get! But Austin on X-MEN was so clean and clear and inviting! Then JB inking himself on FF had that little something extra--crisp and gritty at the same time!
Jim Mooney was an underrated artist and I wouldn't have minded seeing him ink JB on some SPIDER-MAN, but FF? That would have been weird.
I understand all the criticisms against Colletta, but I enjoyed him on Kirby and Tuska and Heck and Grell and probably more. Would I have enjoyed somebody else better? Maybe, except on Tuska--I don't remember anybody looking better on Tuska than Colletta. Nothing says "70's comic" to me like Tuska inked by Colletta--and I mean that in a good way!
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Peter Hicks
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| Posted: 25 December 2024 at 1:09am | IP Logged | 8
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Jim Mooney did some very acceptable inking on John Romita in ASM as I recall.
JB - I believe you have said you used to pencil 4 pages a day. Were you equally fast at inking, or even faster? When you were inking your own pencils, did you only pencil to about a breakdown stage?
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John Byrne
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3 pages a day, at my peak. Pretty much the same for inking, as I would give myself looser pencils.
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Vinny Valenti
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Have you had situations where someone else was slated to ink an issue, so you provided tighter pencils than you would have for yourself, and then the inker bowed out and you ended up inking it anyway? I ask because there were some issues here and there where the (pleasantly surprised) self-inked art looked a bit different, and wondered if that could have been a reason.
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Athanasios Kollias
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| Posted: 25 December 2024 at 7:23am | IP Logged | 11
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Jim Mooney did ink JB a couple of years before FF, in Amazing Spider-Man 189-190. JB provided layouts and not full pencils, though, I think for both issues (the credits are clear on that matter in 190, the 189 reads "illustrators" for bot artists, I guess by the end result Mooney did finishes).The work was solid, but JB's main characteristic is the way he draws faces and they got de-Byrned quite a bit, imho.
That 189 cover with Bob McLeod was pure gold, quite Neal Adamsesque. I wish Bob had inked the interiors for those two issues, instead! I know Bob's style was a bit... heavy but I think he faces were closer to JB's and the Marvel Team-Up story with Ororo and T'Challa was top-class for me...
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Scott Wagahoff
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Vinnie inked my one issue of WEB OF SPIDER-MAN. He was instructed by Shooter to heavily redraw the faces. ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- You may have answered this before, but if you're going to have an established artist pencil a book, why would you ever want the faces redrawn? If you hire Byrne, don't you want Byrne?
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