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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 21 January 2025 at 6:46am | IP Logged | 1
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I got into a discussion last week about Disney Star Wars, well two actually,
with two different people.
Both were bemoaning that all Disney Star Wars was terrible and everyone
would agree with this.
Within two posts, on both occasions, both people had said that they had
not said what I had said they said.
Both times I quoted what they had written.
Both said that wasn’t what they had meant, changed their argument & said I
should have been address what they had meant to say.
I gave up both times, to which they both wrote an insulting ‘hah, gotcha,
knew you were wrong’ reply.
I did not reply to either.
Pretty much sums up discussion in the internet, & also face to face, now.
I must learn to ignore people I know will change what they have said.
This is the only advice I can give JB, because you know this trait is only
going to get emboldened & worse.
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Bill Collins
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| Posted: 21 January 2025 at 7:39am | IP Logged | 2
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Same here James, totally different subject, but i was
theorising why i thought something was physically
impossible and was likely A.I. created, the original
poster got very annoyed at my differing perspective, so i
just stopped responding.
I saw a very apt meme recently...Choosing to get into an
argument on the internet is like choosing to tread in dog
shit instead of walking around it.
But back to the topic, i think a lot of today's comic
book art is very angular with too many unecessary lines
and a lot is too cartoony for my tastes. I much prefer
the likes of J.B. and George Perez, Alan Davis, there's a
fluidness to the art.
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Blair Herd
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I’ve seen a few complaints online to the effect that my current work is “old fashioned”.I find this a curious contrast to those who still insist my old stuff was better. Hmmm…. ************************************************************ *********** You mean, your work isn't digital or AI generated? For me, your work has always been canon for almost any character. I guess I'm old fashioned then. You are a legend in the industry. As much as that may age you, certainly does me. You have inspired many collectors and new creators. That is pretty incredible and something to be lauded not denigrated. Thanks for being old fashioned.
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John Byrne
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Ultimately it’s another term like “rushed” or “scratchy”. Meaningless verbiage trying to sound knowledgeable.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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You are in good company. I've heard that about JLGL's work,
as well as reading a discussion in which a handful of
keyboard commentors noted that they didn't like his work
"because it is too simple". At some point, there is a
moment that one has the ability and the choice to reserve
energy to focus on worthwhile interactions. :)
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Charles Valderrama
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“old fashioned” is fine in my book.
-C!
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John Byrne
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…"because it is too simple"…••• Back when the proto-Image boys were oozing up thru Marvel, I coined the term “tonnage” to describe what some fans seemed to like about their stuff: lots and lots of lines. Often meaningless lines. But a lot of them.
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James Woodcock
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There are a fair few art styles in today’s super hero comics.
A lot seems Manga inspired, but poorly executed.
A lot seems Image inspired
A lot seems computer art inspired.
I just want clear storytelling, recognisable characters that can be
distinguished between each other A massive failing in a lot of comics), &
appropriate dynamics.
JB gave us that in spades.
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Edward Aycock
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I still prefer your work to a lot of the art I see today. Not all, there is some great stuff out there, but I like your style, no matter what era.
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Mark Haslett
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I’m still unclear about what’s so “modern” about the artists working today—
drawing open for color and a bigger manga influence seem to be the most
common qualities I see to distinguish new from old. By that standard,
everyone I like is old fashioned.
Knock me over with a feather!
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Joe Smith
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Nobody reminds me of JB today as much as Dan Mora.
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ron bailey
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There is some great talent out there today, just as there has always been. However, the standard for my fandom is three fold: first, how much and how well they have modern technology influence what they create; second, how much their work has impacted the creation of or growth of certain characters and storylines; and third, a demonstration of the discipline, continuity and commitment it takes to put out a monthly book on a regular, dependable basis. There is no shortage of amazing contemporary fan favorite artists who do amazing work, but a stark few live up to that trinity I would like to crown atop a current creator's body of work.
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