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John Byrne

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Posted: 17 March 2025 at 8:17pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

…impossible to name, based on this piece.

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James Woodcock
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Posted: 17 March 2025 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Bill Mantlo gets two name checks but the original writer just left.
I’m really not sure what to make of that at all

Just realised, my son has finally taken the @ and & autocorrects off. I was
too sentimental to do so, but he must have chosen to.

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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 17 March 2025 at 11:43pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Whoa. Created by… “must not… speak… his name!”
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 18 March 2025 at 12:06am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Thank god Mantlo was around to write the character after the character’s
creator abandoned him.
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Edward Aycock
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Posted: 18 March 2025 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

God, the almighty, the creator. 
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Shawn Kincade
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Posted: 18 March 2025 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

What an odd way to write this article.  The years-long decline in basic journalism skills -- in even the most fundamental writing skills -- is sad.  Any editor worth his or her title would have rejected that writing choice as lazy, incompetent, and/or targeting the unnamed author in a bizarre way for an "informational" piece.  Weird.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 18 March 2025 at 5:41pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

The none use of my name is almost certainly deliberate. There are quite a few UNTRUE tales of negative things I have supposedly said about the LGBTQ community.

A degree of irony, I suppose, since LGBTQ people have so long been vexed with lies about themselves.

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John OConnor
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Posted: 18 March 2025 at 10:58pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

One of the worst written articles in quite a long time...
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Josh Goldberg
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Posted: 19 March 2025 at 12:32am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

"Backstory of poverty and abandonment"?
"Unattended minor"?
"Slept with a man for food and shelter"?

The opinion writer is inferring a heck of a lot from JB's Alpha Flight run that I don't see.
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 19 March 2025 at 3:47am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

It feels more like a précis for a master's thesis than an actual article, and probably an abandoned thesis at that.

It's kind of convoluted, so I may be missing some of the argument, but from what I can understand, I don't really disagree with her general thrust that post-JB writers and editorial really had no idea how to write a gay-coded character, and that the AIDS-coded storyline was poor judgment (to say the least). But where I do disagree is the idea that Jean-Paul was created by JB as stereotypical and inherently false because JB himself was straight. I'm 100% in agreement that more diverse creator voices are a boon for the medium - for ANY medium - but the idea that one cannot write a demographic unless one IS that demographic is antithetical to artistic creation.

If I recall correctly, an article in The Comics Journal from the early 90's written in response to Northstar finally coming out was also pretty cynical about Mantlo/Lobdell's approach. Though the take of that writer (himself gay) was more disappointment that the complex, lithe character that JB had written and drawn had been bulked up to Image-powerhouse size - the writer had really thought JB's Jean-Paul was a sensitive and sympathetic portrayal.

Catch that? A gay man, writing over thirty years ago, didn't take any major issue with JB's portrayal of a gay man, while a contemporary young female writer takes issue with it on the grounds of it being a product of the straight male gaze. This says more about contemporary literary theory than it does about Jean-Paul's legitimacy, but this approach is just one of those shibboleths that has to work its way through critical circles before it's thoroughly exhausted, I guess. 

I cannot for the life of me work out why she's making a deliberate point of eliding JB, and I also can't work out what the point of that elision is. I'd almost be tempted to view the deliberate omission of JB's name as some kind of wrinkle on 'the death of the author', but in naming Mantlo twice and clearly focusing on the identity aspect of the author, she's pretty clearly ALL about unpacking authorial intent.


Edited by Dave Kopperman on 19 March 2025 at 4:01am
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 19 March 2025 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

"The years-long decline in basic journalism skills -- in even the most fundamental writing skills -- is sad."

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But the author's profile photo has her fingertip on her temple with a smirk that screams "Darla" from MTV. That means she MUST be a critical thinker!!
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 19 March 2025 at 12:27pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

"The none use of my name is almost certainly deliberate. There are quite a few UNTRUE tales of negative things I have supposedly said about the LGBTQ community."

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The only reason why I would think otherwise is that I can't imagine this writer missing the opportunity to add the affront of the first gay character being created by a "raging homophobe".
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