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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 March 2025 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | 1
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Part of collecting comics in my lifetime has always involved hearing about some past glory before being able to read it.
Some things, like “the death of Gwen Stacey” or “the drug issues” of Spider-Man didn’t really land for me with the thrills that I hoped. Other things, like The New Gods, needed some time before I could recognize their greatness. Then there were comics like the O’Neil/Adams Ra’s Al Guhl stories that were everything I hoped.
It occurred to me in the “First Byrne” thread that the “Phoenix Must Die” and “Wolverine Alone” issues of X-Men were issues that I had to save up money for as back-issues and which were as good as I hoped. I am so jealous of the readers who saw them come out.
So this is different for every reader because of when they started reading- but I’m wondering about other runs or issues that stand out for being just as good as people said they would be?
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Jean Voulis Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 February 2025 Location: Canada Posts: 78
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Posted: 28 March 2025 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | 2
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Frank Miller original DD run (160s to 191) for me - bought as back issues and reprints and lived up to the hype!
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8035
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Posted: 28 March 2025 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | 3
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I’m reading this as ‘comics I didn’t buy when they came out, but bought because I had heard how great they were’. For me, GENERATIONS. I didn’t read it on release and only read it last year. Loved every single page of it.a true joy that totally lived up to everything I had heard about it
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John Byrne
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 12:42am | IP Logged | 4
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Hype wasn’t something that occupied the attention of most readers in the early days. Promotion was mostly thru house ads, which generally presented the books that were being published that month. As a kid I was fascinated by the reproduction of covers, half or quarter size, side by side or fanned across the ad page like a winning hand of cards. Distribution was so poor in my part of Canada that house ads served mostly to tell me what I had missed!
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Dave Phelps Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 1:37am | IP Logged | 5
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I've generally been lucky with "past glories," in that I got to them before their rep got so magnified with time that no mere publication could possibly live up to it. There may be other stuff of similar vintage that I like better than the stuff that gets the most lauds, but I still like the "universally loved" stuff, too.
I'll admit New Gods took a couple of tries to appreciate it, but I blame that on me not doing it right. First I only did the Baxter reprints of New Gods #1-11; then I got the other stuff but read the series separately. To get the proper experience you really need to do all four series in publishing order.
If anything, my issue is with "current glories," where I see something that gets praised left and right, I try it, and it does nothing for me.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 1:47am | IP Logged | 6
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With anything in arts and entertainment, to fully appreciate and understand the influence, impact, and importance of a work, you also have to be aware of the historical context of when it first appeared. This is more important the further the passage of time has progessed since that period when it initially came to the public consciousness.
It's easy to overlook why something is considered a groundbreaking achievement or trendsetter when the masses have been exposed to a variety of knock-offs, rip-offs, and works influenced and inspired by the original work in question.
When I first saw "2001: A Space Odyssey," and "Forbidden Planet," I was an adult who had been aware of these films and their impact on future films. And I was also very familiar with the other films of that era and before it, so I was still blown away at how they changed the game and upped the ante for movies made afterwards.
Even though I had been exposed to watching later films that were inspired by the earlier classic before I saw those that inspired the later films, I could appreciate the achievements of the originals. For a lot of people, though, it might be underwhelming as they simply see it as something already familiar to them, having experienced that which was innovative with the original through years of consuming the entertainment that lifted from the trendsetters.
Unless one was there, or understands the historical context it's hard to feel something of the impact of say, a "Citizen Kane," or "Casablanca," when the techniques and innovations have become commonplace and even tropes these days. This holds true for advances in all fields of arts and such.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 29 March 2025 at 1:49am
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 4:20am | IP Logged | 7
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Although I agree in principle, I can’t say that I agree in the specific. I was old enough to watch 2001 in the 70s but too young to have watched it when it first hit theatres. Although I’ve always appreciated its achievement, I find it just as dull and bland a movie now as I did as a kid. In other words, I think people can and often do appreciate the groundbreaking nature of a thing without actually liking the thing that broke the ground. I know you’re not doing it, Matt, but I don’t understand those that talk down to, patronize or otherwise dismiss the opinions of those that just don’t like a film, book, series, comic, album as if they just “don’t get it”. Sorry, I can see how the artist/author/musician advanced an idea or used a new technology without actually enjoying the thing they created.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 4:48am | IP Logged | 8
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To get back on track, I lived through all the event stuff that has really made an impact. I was target zero for comics in the late 70s/80s/90s. I was there when you couldn’t find a copy of THE NEW TEEN TITANS #1 for less than $50 (a lot back then!), saw John’s covers of IRON FIST, POWER MAN & IRON FIST and X-MEN on the stands and, having bought those, was predisposed to grabbing John’s run on both FF and SHE-HULK (already a favorite character whom I’ve previously mentioned on this forum I bought every appearance of hers from her first issue through the mid 90s). I also bought first run issues of Giffen & DeMatteis’ JLA starting with #1, was there for Miller’s entire run on DD and his seminal work on THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. I had a front row seat to SECRET WARS because I’m a massive Spider-Man fan so, naturally, I have a complete run of that character from around #180 of AMAZING through 400 I think (yeah, I know. A ton of dreck.). I was there for the Death of Superman and Phoenix, the numerous INFINITY event comics from Silver Surfer, the Perez WONDER WOMAN that spun out of CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS which also spawned a new FLASH series. So too John’s SUPERMAN, which I snagged every issue. I bought into, for a time, the triangle Superman issues, was amazed by Sienkiewwicz’s NEW MUTANTS, loved the first 50 issues of THUNDERBOLTS, still think DP7 is the best new universe title, and was a fan of THE MICRONAUTS when, for a time, it was the hottest title on the stands. STRIKEFORCE: MORITURI is still a groundbreaking book and criminally ignored.
All that said (and too many more to mention), I think my discoveries of stories that “live up to the hype” aren’t so much “event” comics as they are single issues or runs. There are specific issues of Superman and Batman that I didn’t follow because I was obviously not born when they were published. I discovered WARLORD late, back in the day, but bought the back issues and loved them. Ditto ELFQUEST. Although I followed DREADSTAR from the jump, that character has jumped publishers many times so, when I find them, I still find them compelling. It was, at the time in the 80s, a hot title. I know that there are gems out there, some I don’t even know or only have a vague remembrance of, that nevertheless are just waiting for me to discover them on the cheap.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 5:15am | IP Logged | 9
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For those looking for a great read, STRIKEFORCE: MORITURI has an upcoming Omnibus due for release in May that covers every issue and you can find it for a whopping $40 off here: Link. Just preordered it myself even though I have all the originals.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 6:31am | IP Logged | 10
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Some great points made here.Matt’s mention of ELFQUEST reminds me that I had been seeing it mentioned in comics and publications for years, but was unable to get it until the Epic reprints. That definitely lived up to its reputation. Film wise, it can only be STAR WARS for me. That film did not reach my area of the UK until February/March 1978 (and that needs to be in 70 point text, bold, underlined and pulsating text). By the time I saw that movie, I had been reading/seeing stuff about it for the best part of 3/4 of a year. I owned newspaper articles, poster magazines, the book, the comic adaptation, various bits of merchandise such as bubble gum cards, Letraset sets, stationary etc. it may have been so late in the day that the figures may have been in shops as I remember an occasion of being given the option of either seeing the film or having a figure - I chose the film (but this may have been my second viewing of it, but still it’s first run) I had been living Star Wars, but had not been able to see it. The requirement that film had to live up to was impossible for it to fulfil. But my word, did that film manage to live up to that hype, and then some! I had experienced other films that had been hyped before that had been bitter disappointments, the pinnacle of which had to have been the remake of KING KONG. A film that advertised extensive use of a robot Kong who could straddle the twin towers, only to be met with a man in a suit that could barely jump between the towers. Bitter disappointment for a seven year old. But STAR WARS. STAR WARS That film lived up to its hype, exceeded its hype, became, and remains, a massive part of my life. Nothing will ever touch the scale of impact that managed to achieve in that eight year old boy (well, ok, marriage and the birth of my son, but product wise? Nothing)
Edited by James Woodcock on 29 March 2025 at 6:35am
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Brennan Voboril Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | 11
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When I grew up reading comics the only hype I can remember was the last page of from Marvel comics, Bullpen Bulletins, and the house ads. Generally, what was at the newsstand, or store, was always a surprise.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 12
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I have complained many times about the way the DSM has warped the sales model of the industry. Rather than strolling into a newstand or drugstore and discovering what’s new on the racks, readers are now required to order from catalogs, months in advance. And various spoiler rags have come and gone over the years, parasitically “reporting” on upcoming stories—all as a part of determining their “value” to speculators. One of my first little battles when I first went online was with “fans” who complained that the stories were “too predictable”, all of them having devoured every scrap of spoilers they could find. Knowing they would be promoted months before they were actually released, I have found myself designing covers so that they would not give away important plot points. No use having a “surprise reveal” at the end of Issue A if the cover of Issue B has already played off that reveal months before it comes out.
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