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Jean Voulis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 April 2025 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | 1
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A topic that has interested me of late is longevity of certain creators in the comic business - and in contrast other creators who have some high profile time but then fade away.
CB Cebulski current EIC of Marvel (and big JB fan) is quoted as saying when people ask him about breaking into the industry - they should also think about how to STAY in the industry.
JB - any thoughts on how you have stayed in for decades?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 26 April 2025 at 9:11pm | IP Logged | 2
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Jean Voulis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 April 2025 at 9:18pm | IP Logged | 3
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Thanks JB ! Succinct and to the point!
Anyone else in the forum want to chime in?
Reading creator interviews I see that it is sometimes politics and/or your network. The great Roger Stern stated after being fired from Avengers no editors would return his calls. And after a while he did not know any of the new editors (until years later Marvel hired an editor or two that was a fan). Like any job I guess it depends on who you know and not just talent.
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Jean Voulis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 April 2025 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | 4
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One creator that came to mind is DG Chichester - started as an editor at EPIC under the great Archie Goodwin at Epic comics in the 80s and then moved on to write Daredevil (including landmark issue 300), a wolverine one shot with Bill Sienkewicz, a punisher/cap mini with Klaus Janson, a blade series, the Terror series with Jorge Zaffino, the Batman/DD one shot and more.
and then nothing..! I heard he moved into advertising (and recently wrote a DD mini for Marvel set in that era) and he has a newsletter where he talks about some new creator owned comics.
I just find it fascinating how someone like him collaborated with giants of the industry, had good sales on decent runs at Marvel, and then was gone from the industry.
Any more examples forum members can think of? I have a few more..
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Eric Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 27 April 2025 at 5:41am | IP Logged | 5
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I've seen a number of great artists I grew up on at comic cons who I had assumed had retired or moved on to Hollywood or related industries. And then when I talk to them (I think I should refrain from naming names), it seems that they would LOVE if a modern editor contacted them for a regular gig!
I mean, I'm talking about some great artists--better than most of the artists working at the Big Two today. Same thing with writers--most of the best writers from the 70's and 80's (who did work the studios are mining for billion-dollar movies!). Maybe there's a reason comics sell 20,000 copies today instead of 400,000--other than distribution changes and special effects movies and TV shows.
It seems you either are forgotten or become a legend. There is no middle ground.
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Rodrigo castellanos Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 27 April 2025 at 6:01am | IP Logged | 6
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Travis Charest comes to mind.
I was a big, big fan of his work (mainly on WILDCATS) and thought he was going to be an era-defining artist.
But he was slow and couldn't handle a monthly series. So he moved on to European comics and took on a Metabarons series for years that he couldn't finish and then he just vanished.
I googled him recently to see what he was up to and it's mostly private commissions, which he said in an interview are much more profitable to him than mainstream comic work.
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Jean Voulis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 27 April 2025 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | 7
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Daniel Way is another writer I miss - he would do long runs on titles (relatively speaking these days): 50+ issues of Wolverine (half of that run was pencilled by the late great Steve Dillon), 20 issues of Ghost Rider (with TEX), 50+ issues of Deadpool..and then not much.
I guess politics does play a part in it.
My go to example though is Roger Stern - I remember him talking about potential stories in his cancelled anthology Marvel Universe series that would be amazing to see (and sound timeless and could be published today) - we really lost out as readers.
Stuff like the ancient one's first fight with Dormammu, Tut the cave boy discovers Attilan, etc..Stern really knows how to tie continuity in a fun way to his stories..but no one calls him (and many other as Eric pointed out)..it's a shame.
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 April 2025 at 4:38pm | IP Logged | 8
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I've noted a few months back that JB holds the title of being the most prolific writer/artist of all in terms of total page count, and he's waaaay in the lead due to both writing and drawing at least 2 titles per month simultaneously for most of his career. I don't forsee any other writer/artists ever dethroning him in the future.
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Jean Voulis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 April 2025 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | 9
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Vinny - agreed!
I also think JB was business savvy and knew when to pivot between companies, what collaborators to work with, when to go into creator owned, etc...good instincts.
Another name was Will Pfeiffer - I enjoyed his work - he collaborated with JB on the Demon, wrote 2 issues of Swamp Thing with Richard Corben (!) and had a 4 year run on Catwoman - you would think this pedigree in comics means you made it..but he faded away.
(some of these may be by choice of course - I dont know if he or others changed fields)
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ron bailey Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 April 2025 at 12:34am | IP Logged | 10
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I've always been heartened by those I believe had longevity because they just kept GROWING. Same with any artistic field - music, movies, etc. I hope in year 25 you're doing things differently than you did in year one. That's what I like to follow.That said, specifically in comics, I think at this point a lot get into a regular series or two precisely to get well known/famous (speaking of artists, that is) and then use that to springboard to doing more lucrative work like commissions, as someone pointed out earlier. I have also asked several superstars of yesteryear what they are up to now and they tend to be pretty sketchy in their answers, so I just let it alone.
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Ken Sun Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 April 2025 at 4:16am | IP Logged | 11
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Yup, many from the comic industry had come and gone. A few that comes to mind. As mentioned above, Daniel Way has retired from comic writing, and moved to Hawaii. Dale Keown's popularity waned when he joined ComicsGate and had railed, ranted against Marvel's treatment of Hulk in the MCU.He still does commissions, but has stopped entirely working for Marvel or conventtion appearances since 2018.. Mike Zeck came back from the convention scene in 2012 after stopping since 2003 or 2004. He's now stopped doing commissions or conventions. Zeck currently resides in Phillipines..Frequent Jim Lee collaborators WildCATs writer and co-creator Brandon Choi became a lawyer, along with frequent 90's Jim Lee colorist, Joe Chiodo. He was active in comics until late 90's. When I asked Scott Williams of Chiodo at Fan Expo 2019,. he stated the last he heard of Chiodo, he had an art gallery in LA, Sam Kieth, is a well known hermit, but he sttill does blogs and shows his art projects once awhile. It's not that the're irrelevant. The've definitely left a footprint in definite ways.
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