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Jason K Fulton
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That second panel might be the best Sue you've ever drawn, JB.
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John Byrne
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That was where ELSEWHEN tried to turn into MARVEL TEAM-UP!Sometimes I wonder if it would be worth it to pull those pages together and make them a separate Spidey/FF entity. Single “issue”.
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Dave Kopperman
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There was also the (very entertaining!) meta moment where you went in and explained to Peter how his story arc wasn't working, and gave him a magic pencil fix.
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Shawn Kincade
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Sometimes I wonder if it would be worth it to pull those pages together and make them a separate Spidey/FF entity. Single “issue”.
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Absolutely!
One of the first comics I remember buying (or more accurately, a purchase made for me) was Marvel Team-Up #61.* That cover blew my 6-year-old mind . . . the FF trying to kill Spider-Man? I had to see what was going on.
I loved the JB run of issues to follow. Spider-Man AND other heroes teaming up every single month in the same comic! What a deal. Only years later did it occur to me that Spider-Man was perhaps the most chummy loner in Marvel comics, which didn't make a lot of sense. But what fun. Last year, I honored that seminal purchase by commissioning a cover recreation from Al Milgrom.
*Soon to be followed by Avengers #164. For a while, I thought JB or George Perez drew almost every Marvel comic published.
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Mark Haslett
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JB: Sometimes I wonder if it would be worth it to pull those pages together and make them a separate Spidey/FF entity. Single “issue”.
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I love this idea. It's amazing how much these characters stand up, fully alive when they are called upon - so long as "continuity" is damned to its proper place.
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Brian Miller
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When FEARBOOK was nominated for a Stoker Award for Best First Novel I
wondered if it was really fair to be in that category, since I had been writing
“novels” for years.
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Did you ever have any idea to adapt it into comic book form?
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Jason K Fulton
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My first comic was FF #243, that comic trained me to think that anyone could show up at any time in any story!
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Mark Haslett
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I can't think of an actual Graphic Novel I like more than "HUNGER DOGS". It isn't prime New Gods, but it's unpredictable and fascinating.
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David Miller
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Dave Kopperman wrote:
Even the best graphic novels have more of a
collected shorts interconnected vibe (I guess that's called a composite
novel?), rather than a full novelistic one. I wonder if that's because revising
in comics is a much heavier lift than in prose? It's pretty much first draft
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You might be interested in Gilbert Hernandez’s Love and Rockets X. It was
originally serialized in nine comic book issues, and Hernandez revised it
extensively for the collected edition. He actually rearranged the page layout
grids from six panels to nine panels. It works but how he accomplished it is
unfathomable to me.
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Eric Jansen
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I still have a special place in my heart after all these years for SABRE and DETECTIVES INC.
Surprised to revisit them in later years to find SABRE was so short! It's not much longer than AVENGERS ANNUAL #7! It's the same length as FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #17! Are those graphic novels?!? They're all shorter than SUPERMAN VS. MUHAMMED ALI--does that count as a graphic novel?
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John Byrne
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You might be interested in Gilbert Hernandez’s Love and Rockets X. It wasoriginally serialized in nine comic book issues, and Hernandez revised itextensively for the collected edition. He actually rearranged the page layoutgrids from six panels to nine panels. It works but how he accomplished it isunfathomable to me.••• Something similar was done to create the TRIAL OF GALACTUS trade paMperback. Scenes from several issues of FANTASTIC FOUR, originally published months apart, were linked together, the pages that came between modified or removed. My habit of concluding scenes at the end of pages produced some surprisingly seamless melds.* The finished product required only a couple of captions to be rewritten. ——- *One short scene, as an example, had Sue walking thru the Baxter Building. A page ended with her going down a flight of stairs. The next page continued the action, tho there were several issues between those pages. Good ol’ Marvel serendipity.
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For a while, I thought JB or George Perez drew almost every Marvel comic published.••• Something close almost happened. Shooter got the idea of me drawing a fill-in issue of every non-reprint Marvel book. It would take as much as a year, working around my regular assignments, then all would be published in one month.
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