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Craig Earl Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 1
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It seems to me that some people just don't like the word 'comic', so use 'graphic novel' as a sweeping term to differentiate from the likes of 'Peanuts' or 'Dennis the Menace'.
It doesn't help that well-known bookshops like Waterstones have 'graphic novel' sections (selling gn's and tpbs), with posters on the walls that say: 'Don't call them comics!'
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 11:58am | IP Logged | 2
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Rampant elitism. Comic books were labeled as such because their earliest forms were reprints of the Sunday Funnies, the COMICS from newspapers. Unfortunately, even after they started printing new material, much of it dramatic adventure stories, the term stuck. As I mentioned, I expended a considerable amount of mental energy trying to find a more descriptive term than “comic books”. (I had grown weary of civilians wanting to tell me funny stories I could use in my comics.) But “comic book” was too familiar and too user friendly. At least until the more pretentious “graphic novel” caught readers attention. Then, ironically, I found myself turning back to “comic books” as a defense against such nonsense.
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Casey Sager Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 759
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 1:29pm | IP Logged | 3
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I'd take graphic novel over the too cute by half "floppies", ugh.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 2:07pm | IP Logged | 4
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Oh, gods how I HATE “floppies”!!!The term, used for comics, got started just about the time I was starting out on Superman. Warner Brothers, DC’s parent company, had issued brand new (in 1986) MacIntosh computers to all the editorial offices. Suddenly computer terminology was everywhere. “Reboots” became all the rage.* And raging ennui got staffers calling the books “floppies”.. Guk! ——— * That was the reason my time on Superman took the form it did. I’d signed up expecting to take over with whatever was the next issue, and over six months or so steer the books in the direction I felt they needed. But then the Powers that Were learned the word “reboot”.
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 December 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3835
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 2:15pm | IP Logged | 5
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Speaking of terms that stick regardless of what they're actually attached to: It's weird they would go with 'floppies' since the whole 'floppy disk' term was coined for the 8" and 5 1/4" inch discs that were the home mainstay up through 1983. Macs launched with a built-in 3 1/2" diskette drive. That those were still called 'floppy disks' despite the fact that they came in a rigid plastic shell with a sliding metal dust cover used to bug me like crazy.
Yes, the disc inside the case is still technically 'floppy' but still...
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 2:17pm | IP Logged | 6
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Another way 'graphic novel' got screwed before it ever got a chance to be properly set in meaning - A Contract With God, which was definitely a major source for popularizing the term (particularly in the mainstream market) - was a short story collection.
Edited by Dave Kopperman on 20 June 2025 at 2:18pm
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 2:42pm | IP Logged | 7
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As I recall, it was also a trade paperback!
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | 8
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This conversation does increase my empathy even more for people who feel that traditional gender and sexuality terms don't fit them.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 3:22pm | IP Logged | 9
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Confused terminology has been a minor annoyance for as long as I can remember. Plenty of instances of sci-fi terms getting ported over to the real world. “Test tube baby” being used for IVF, when the term was coined to mean a fetus carried to full term in an artificial womb. And don’t even get me started on robots and androids!!
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | 10
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It's remarkable that English has one of the largest vocabularies of any language and yet remains inadequate to almost any proper taxonomic efforts.
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Josh Goldberg Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2025 at 10:52pm | IP Logged | 11
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My father, who would be 99 years old if he were still among us, called them funny books.
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Evan S. Kurtz Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 June 2025 at 12:32am | IP Logged | 12
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I recall in the early 90’s seeing paperback-novel-sized collections published in black and white. The one I recall owning - and probably still own somewhere - was a collection of X-Men comics drawn by JB. My two questions:
1) what would you call that kind of publication? And,
2) am I crazy or do I remember a panel depicting Storm possibly exiting a shower fully revealing an exposed breast? JB, do you know the scene to which I’m referring?
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