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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 05 July 2025 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | 1
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In regards to the Death of Phoenix story...I've enjoyed every time I've re-visited the storyline... if only Hollywood could get it right... it shouldn't be that hard... if they brought in the RIGHT consultants.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 09 July 2025 at 11:47am | IP Logged | 2
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According to William Goldman, in his highly informative book ADVENTURES IN THE SCREEN TRADE, when adapting from one format to another, changes MUST be made. Usually quite arbitrarily. Perhaps nowhere is this more in evidence than THREE tries at Dark Phoenix. (I’ve mentioned that knowing that third try was going to happen I rubbed my hands in Scrooge-like anticipation. As one of the creators the original story, I expected a big ol’ royalty check. Then it bombed so badly I half expected Marvel to send me a bill!)
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Jason Scott
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| Posted: 10 July 2025 at 7:55am | IP Logged | 3
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"Perhaps nowhere is this more in evidence than THREE tries at Dark Phoenix."
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For a second there I was thinking wait...three? I only count two. But then of course there's the 90es animated version*.
*Which I seem to remember gave Jean a plotline oddly close to what I read was the original planned ending to the Dark Phoenix Saga. Before the Editor in chief decided she needed a more severe punishment.
I've often wondered if that was deliberate move on the part of the animated shows creators. Or if it was just a coincidence resulting from cartoons of the time not being able to properly kill anyone off. (Even their Morph came back.)
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 10 July 2025 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | 4
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Animators tend to follow their own path. At a con, before the show went into production, a small contingent approached to ask me the color of Storm’s uniform. “Shiny black,” I said, “with yellow trim.”“Don’t you mean white?” they protested. When the show came out, her costume was white.
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Mark McKay
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| Posted: 10 July 2025 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | 5
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Edited by Mark McKay on 10 July 2025 at 11:25pm
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 July 2025 at 8:10pm | IP Logged | 6
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Comics are full of colors that don’t exist in Nature. Unfortunately this has created generations of fans prepared to die on the hill of highlights being the actual color. (Sure, he’s called the Black Panther, but his suit is blue!)
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Brian ONeill
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At some point, the 'highlights' became the dominant colors. (I recall an early 80s 'Brave and the Bold' story, involving Batman time-traveling to the Civil War...where union soldiers don't know what to make of his blue and gray outfit).
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John Byrne
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One of the oddest examples has to be some street punks busting the chops of the Silver Surfer (dressed in civvies, with a hat) for his “white face”.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 23 July 2025 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | 9
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Thinking this morning about how black gets treated in comics. There are many characters that started with black on their suits—Spider-Man, the X-Men, Batman, for example—only to see the blacks diminish as inkers filled in less and less and the highlights took over. (According to Mike Esposito, when I asked him about it, this even explained how Wonder Woman’s mother became blonde.)The culprit here was, of course, deadlines. It takes time to fill in blacks, and when the clock is ticking it’s often easier to start dropping blacks—sometimes unconsciously. And then it takes no time at all for readers and writers to start thinking of those colors as what’s “really” there.
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ron bailey
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| Posted: 23 July 2025 at 3:43pm | IP Logged | 10
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For Spider-Man at least, I figured for marketing purposes it was easier to have a hero who was already covered from head to toe, partly in webs, to have his outfit be a friendlier red and bright blue rather than black.
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Joseph Gauthier
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I don't remember the details, but I remember a story mentioned here about Frank Miller attempting to mitigate the highlight problem through costume design.I wonder how readers would respond to the use of situational highlights dependent upon the intensity of the light, e.g. white highlights in direct sunlight, grey highlights in regular light, blue for dim light, and no highlight in near darkness.
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Wallace Sellars
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| Posted: 23 July 2025 at 9:52pm | IP Logged | 12
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I remember a Green Lantern story JB drew where the arms and legs of his uniform were completely filled so that those areas were solid black. I’m not sure if it was JB, the inker or the colorist who made the call on that, but it left no doubt about the color.
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