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Brian Miller
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Posted: 02 July 2025 at 6:41pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I read thru a bunch of stuff over at Paty and Dave’s board a while back. It
seemed like a lot of the animosity came from Paty who certainly helped
foster it in Dave. A real shame. I’m sure I’ve not read EVERY interview JB
has ever given, but in every one I have read and Cockrum is brought up,
he’s had nothing but glowing remarks.
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Larry Gil
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Posted: 02 July 2025 at 6:49pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Maybe it was his crazy wife who poisoned his mind . 
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Jason Czeskleba
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Posted: 02 July 2025 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Geeze guys, do we really need to start taking cheap shots at his widow?  

In his final years Dave was in a bad place financially and his health was a mess.  Maybe it doesn't justify bitterness or misplaced anger and blame, but it provides context.  

I've also read interviews where he took a more equanimous perspective.  He admitted that he cost himself a pile of X-Men royalties by choosing to leave the title for the second time to do Futurians for an indie publisher, just at the X-Men royalties were really starting to take off.  Like all creators he had dreams of characters he owned becoming a big success, but the indie publisher crashed and burned after a few issues.  And X-Men turned into a royalty jackpot for Claremont and various artists in the latter half of the 80s, which he acknowledged he could have been one of.



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Richard Stevens
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Posted: 02 July 2025 at 11:57pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Does anyone know why he never wound back up on an x-book? There certainly were plenty of them in the 1980s. Surely he would have been welcome somewhere.
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Casey Sager
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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 2:28am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Reading The Life and Art of Dave Cockrum in the last year or so I learned that after doing the Nightcrawler mini series he basically could not get any more regular assignments from Marvel. IIRC he was never given a reason why.
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Koroush Ghazi
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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 2:41am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

The John Byrne I've seen on these forums is always praising and encouraging other artists, and only rarely says anything disparaging any of them. 

Case in point: I think most regular visitors to JBF could quickly name from memory at least a half-dozen or more artists whose work JB admires... people like Dave Cockrum, John Romita JR, Jack Kirby, Neal Adams, Wally Wood, etc. But try to name the artists he's rubbished, and it gets tough - I've only seen him overtly disdain Rob Liefeld.

Dave Cockrum was a very talented man. Unfortunately, one of the hardest things for someone with talent to accept is anyone who has even more talent than they. 

Especially if that someone is quicker, far more prolific, arguably much better, and has talent encompassing a far broader area of the creative process... like JB.

JB's career reminds me of the movie Amadeus In many ways...and not only because there are many Salieri-esque critics in the industry, ready to surreptitiously tear down his work and his character - but also because, as I understand it, both the movie and the popular conception of John Byrne competely distort reality: both Mozart & Byrne worked very hard to utilise thier talent to get to the top of their respective professions.
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Andrew W. Farago
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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 5:51am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Jason Czeskleba's spot on. Take any late-in-life Dave Cockrum interviews with the same grain of salt/context that you'd apply to any late-in-life Jack Kirby interviews. 

In his lifetime, Dave never got the accolades--and definitely not the financial rewards--that he should have for creating the New X-Men. Relegated to B-list projects and fill-ins when he even got calls from editors, in poor health and broke with no retirement plan or savings or company healthcare, not considered a Hall of Famer until years after his death...all while seeing the X-Men's fame grow exponentially in comics, then the cartoon series, the toys, the movies...who wouldn't be hurt and upset by that?

Some of those negative feelings may have been pointed in the wrong direction, but it's not hard to see where they came from. 


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David Miller
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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 6:05am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

People who did a lot better for themselves than Dave Cockrum routinely grace the Internet with their own embittered tirades. I won't begrudge the man.
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