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John Byrne
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Posted: 30 August 2025 at 11:00am | IP Logged | 1
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I’ve mentioned before how John Romita Sr. Took me into his office one day early in my career and taught me his special trick for drawing the webbing on Spider-Man’s costume. The “scallops” changed direction based on the angle from which they were viewed. This was to prevent them looking like coffin lining, as JR put it, and they would even switch halfway up—or down—his arm, or be different on each boot or glove in the same panel. This was not something Steve Ditko did, but I saw the sense in it and immediately started using it when I drew Spider-Man. This morning, for purely nostalgic reasons, I was flipping thru the ESSENTIAL volume of Spider-Man’s first adventures, and I noticed something for the first time. In the first story Ditko had drawn the webbing on Spider-Man’s face and costume curving the opposite direction to how he would later draw it. I don’t know how I had missed this before. I checked to see how long this persisted and found that in the second story the webbing on the mask was in a more familiar configuration. It still remained backwards on the body of the costume. Then in the third story, that reversed too.
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 30 August 2025 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | 2
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Was it like that in every panel or did it switch around from panel to panel? I have a memory of him being quite flexible with the direction.
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Paul Wills Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 30 August 2025 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | 3
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I've never noticed a change in the direction of the webbing throughout the years. I think my brain automatically told me it was correct however it was drawn!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 30 August 2025 at 4:33pm | IP Logged | 4
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Was it like that in every panel or did it switch around from panel to panel? Ihave a memory of him being quite flexible with the direction.••• That would pretty much defeat the point of my post, no?
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ron bailey Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 October 2016 Location: United States Posts: 1273
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Posted: 30 August 2025 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | 5
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It makes me appreciate the degree to which creators were figuring things out as they went along, which is why I roll my eyes sometimes when people refer to "canon" and inconsistencies perceived therefrom. These were guys with deadlines, taking the opportunity to make it better later when it occurs to them to do so.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 30 August 2025 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | 6
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In those early Ditko issues one sees the crush of deadlines and n the patterns of Spider-Man’s costume. Slowly but surely the webbing simplifies, and the heavy blacks disappear.
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Jason K Fulton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 September 2016 Location: United States Posts: 800
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Posted: 30 August 2025 at 11:04pm | IP Logged | 7
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Could you talk a bit about your experience inking Ditko, JB?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 05 September 2025 at 12:52pm | IP Logged | 8
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Not much to talk about, really. The first time was for CHARLTON BULLSEYE, inking an unpublished Captain Atom story. Since it was something Ditko had originally planned to ink himself the pencils were pretty open, so I did what I could to add weight and texture. Next up, an Avengers annual, pretty much breakdowns, where Mark Gruenwald, the editor, instructed me to r draw the characters so they looked more as they did in their home titles. Finally, an issue of ROM where Keith Williams helped out on the backgrounds. With a credit!
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Colin Ian Campbell Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 24 April 2015 Location: England Posts: 240
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Posted: 06 September 2025 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | 9
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The credits for Rom #74 seem to just say Steve Ditko & John Byrne art.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 06 September 2025 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | 10
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I asked for Keith to be given a credit, but I didn’t double check. So that’s on me.
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Steve Coates Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 September 2025 at 12:35pm | IP Logged | 11
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I added the Keith Williams credit to the GCD, citing you (JB), the date of the post and https://www.byrnerobotics.com. Just needs to go through the review process.
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Josh Goldberg Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 September 2025 at 9:51am | IP Logged | 12
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Can someone post examples of the "scallops" drawn the right way, and the "scallops" drawn the wrong way?
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