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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 11:05am | IP Logged | 1
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I wonder what use "prayers" are thought to have in cases like this?If everything is part of God's Plan, and God's Plan is, by definition, PEFECT, then everything has proceeded exactly as He intended, and to beseech Him to do anything else, even to the extent of consoling the survivors, is asking Him to do something LESS than perfect.
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Brandon Pennison
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 2
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"a white nationalist who radicalized young men to fascism"
Who were the actual fascists here? Was it the man trying to have open dialogue with people that disagreed with him or the people that shot and killed him to silence him?
The term fascist gets tossed around a lot but killing someone because they don't have the same beliefs as you and then cheering gleefully at his death is pretty much out of the fascist handbook.
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Brian Floyd
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 1:43pm | IP Logged | 3
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Kirk was a whacko who believed that mass shootings were a small price to pay for gun ownership, and cared more about anyone who wanted to own a gun being able to do so more than caring about lives. You['re damn straight he was a fascist.
What happened to him was 100% pure karma.
But Laura Loomer and a few others are already blaming and attacking the left.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 1:48pm | IP Logged | 4
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Who were the actual fascists here? Was it the man trying to have open dialogue with people that disagreed with him or the people that shot and killed him to silence him?••• Both. A term like “fascist” cannot be applied as if it is one coherent whole. This kind of “thinking” chops itself into many pieces, just like religion. (Try to find a single representation of “Christian”.)
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Michael Roberts
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 5
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Was it the man trying to have open dialogue with people that disagreed with him
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Hold on, let’s not idealize the dead. Charlie Kirk wasn’t about having an open dialogue with people that disagree with him. He (and Ben Shapiro) go to college campuses to find overemotional, unprepared 18 year old kids and bait they into a “debate” so they can overwhelm them with rapid-fire, fallacious arguments. Followed by selectively posted videos of these “debates”with click-baity titles, like “Charlie Kirk DESTROYS Liberal Argument about…”
There was no open dialogue going on. Just low effort content creation for monetization and propaganda.
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Conrad Teves
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | 6
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"they don't have the same beliefs as you"
Is it an honest disagreement when one side's beliefs if implemented would oppress whole classes of people? Like women? Minorities of every kind? School children?
The irony meter is off-scale high that he died of gun violence at a school.Now they're trying to Horst Wessel the guy.
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Athanasios Kollias
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | 7
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The irony meter is off-scale high that he died of gun violence at a school.
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Is it really irony when it's designed to go like this? It seems like a plan to me.
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Vinny Valenti
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | 8
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Michael, the crazy thing is that SOUTH PARK parodied him and his ilk just a few weeks ago. Apparently it was planned to re-air last night on Comedy Central but it was pulled. However, it's still available on the Paramount+ streaming platform.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | 9
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The irony meter is off-scale high that he died of gun violence at a school.••• Part of CNN’s coverage of this invoked Columbine, referring to it as the worst school shooting on record. Appalling that we should have a scale.
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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 10
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Charlie Kirk, who headed an organization essential to Trumf’s political support network, stepped out of the party line and recently demandedthe release of the Epstein files... and now he’s been killed. Suspect still at large.
I’m not saying one led to the other but it doesn’t look good.
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Robin Taylor
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | 11
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I am a big believer in you reap what you sow
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Gundars Berzins
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| Posted: 11 September 2025 at 7:07pm | IP Logged | 12
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In this case really? Sad.
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