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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 29 September 2025 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

In the first post, there is a 1980’s style that didn’t get mentioned- the Miller/
Janson and Miller/ Mazzuchelli style. I saw a lot of artists try to loosen up by
emulating these influences instead of going down the
Adams/Byrne/Austin/Perez wing of the great theater of options. I thought
Cowan and Milgrom were early adopters in that vein.

Mazzuccelli himself is a notable example, as everything he did well snapped
into perfect form almost instantly upon teaming up with Frank Miller’s
writing on Daredevil. You can compare his last issue from another writer’s
plot (that was actually scripted by Miller) with the next issue which was his
first from a Miller plot. It’s like another artist entirely.

But to this day, there is a school of Batman art out there which seems
entirely aimed at recapturing what Dave did in Batman Year One.

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Brian Miller
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Posted: 29 September 2025 at 11:25pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Miller/Janson is a direct descendent from Adams/Giordano. Nothing new
there.
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 30 September 2025 at 3:44am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Miller is a “direct descendant” from Gil Kane and I’m sure some people agree
with me that he did bring something new. YMMV.
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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 30 September 2025 at 9:42am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Miller did a new thing with SIN CITY, which Jim Lee emulated with DEATHBLOW.  But I would say that Miller (at least this era) was inspired by Eisner.
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Rodrigo castellanos
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Posted: 30 September 2025 at 3:12pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

All these artists could fit under the heading I used earlier "noir artists" but I would normally reserve that for the more realistic artists like Michael Lark, Sean Phillips, David Mazzucchelli, Steve Lieber, etc.


I'd add David Aja to that list, he's perhaps my favourite of the bunch. 

I'd exclude Mazzucchelli, who I feel is from a previous generation and in fact the main source of inspiration for these guys.

What he did in the 80s was so groundbreaking that he had to wait 20+ years to spawn a significant number of imitators (complimentary).

And not just in comics, you can see his influence in Bruce Timm which in turn built an empire on this style.

But if you keep digging you'll always end up in Alex Toth, who should be recognized as a Kirby-like influence on the medium.


Miller did a new thing with SIN CITY, which Jim Lee emulated with DEATHBLOW

Embarrassing stuff from Lee, imitating what he perceived to be a "hot new style" without bothering to try to understand where it came from and what it intended to convey.

That's the difference between a great penciller and a master of his craft.


But I would say that Miller (at least this era) was inspired by Eisner.

I'd also add old school manga to the mix.



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Eric Jansen
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The other thread compares books from Scholastic and Manga and ABSOLUTE BATMAN, etc.  Things like SCOTT PILGRIM and DOGMAN are obviously very cartoony, but other ones like the graphic novels for PERCY JACKSON and other adventure series (in the childrens book section) seem more like the more angular, lightly detailed (left open for the new generation of superstar colorists) art styles I've seen lately at Marvel and DC.

Should mainstream comics be emulating the Scholastic, etc. art styles to lure those young readers or would Marvel and DC be better off finding the next John Byrne or George Perez?
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 03 October 2025 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

A series of All ages Dog-Man length “Scholastic” style books featuring the
big characters seems like a no-brainer.

I would “migrate” the official true home of these characters to the format
that is sticking.

I would take a lazer death ray to all the alternative versions and re-establish
on-model single, constantly written in the middle “continuity” that allowed
all audiences to figure out what was going on and welcome as many readers
as I could grab.
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