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Phil Frances Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 August 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 350
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Posted: 02 October 2025 at 5:30am | IP Logged | 1
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After Hegseth - no more fat troops, generals etc ; no facial hair ; compulsory PT daily, fitness tests every 6 months for senior staff . All on the basis apparently that Pete himself does 'hard PT' each day.
Maybe he does - but the rank and file have duties I'm sure, which might make obligatory PT sessions something else to cram into the schedule .
What a crock - especially when the Commander in Chief is a bloated orange know-nothing who dodged the draft and hates the 'suckers' in the military.
Fascism is alive, well and thriving in America - Hegseth being only one of the parade of 'officials' who ought never to have been granted any sort of influence.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8182
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Posted: 02 October 2025 at 11:00am | IP Logged | 2
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I think I am more concerned about his not so veiled threat that the USA will no longer abide by the rules of war.
Didn't this government campaign on a platform of stopping wars? Department of war, no rules of war, desires to take over other countries.
They keep using that word but I don't think it means what they think it does.
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James Johnson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 2205
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Posted: 02 October 2025 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 3
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No worries.
One of the first things that Unqualified Pete did as Secretary of Defense was to remove all of the then current JAG officers and replaced them with loyalists.
So any orders that the troops are given will be followed.
I see that November 3rd 2026 will be a shitstorm the likes we never seen, but it's what the people wanted.
We ain't voting our way out of this.............
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Michael Casselman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 January 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1258
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Posted: 02 October 2025 at 5:53pm | IP Logged | 4
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What an embarassment. As prior service myself, I can't imagine what it felt like as a 20+year flag or general officer being told what to do by a National Guard Major with a predilection for hard drinking, sexual assault and White Nationalist tattoos. The only thing he's qualified to lecture on is how to apply and blend your makeup just so before you go on camera.
Oh, to have been a fly on the wall at the Quantico Officers Club that evening.
Implicitly pissing on the Geneva Convention, authorizing assault on recruits, sending EO policies back to the 1970's era... this guy is wacked out of his head.
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Phil Frances Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 October 2025 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | 5
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This guy is wacked out of his head.
Unfortunately, he seems to have similar-minded company on all sides - not least the guy in charge who 'was right about everything'
At least Hegseth kept saying 'at my direction' - so when it all goes wrong (and it will) - there is no doubt about blame. Try rowing THAT one back, Peter !
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Peter Hicks Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 April 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2066
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Posted: 02 October 2025 at 10:45pm | IP Logged | 6
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It was at least reassuring to hear from the journalists who cover Department of Defence, sorry, WAR, that the number one reaction was “this could have been an email”. Number two reaction is that career General and Admirals are united in the opinion that somebody who only advanced as far as Major is not qualified for the job.
It was also nice to hear the lack of enthusiastic applause that Trump and Hegseth thought they would receive. Trump delivered his usual campaign rally ramblings. That might rev up the blue collar base, but it fell flat with an audience of university or equivalent grads.
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Michael Casselman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 October 2025 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | 7
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I'm not sure there would have been applause even if they were fully behind Hegseth's tirade. In my experience, when you get that much brass together and the room is called to attention, reactions are usually a bit more subdued than a typical audience.
You could definitely tell Hegseth practiced his delivery as if he was in a 'normal' presentation setting, right down to the pauses. I've seen it suggested that the presentation wasn't even as much for those in attendance but for the audience it was streamed and recorded for, which is evident by his mugging for the camera.
But, yeah... sir, this could have been a PowerPoint in an email...
Edited by Michael Casselman on 03 October 2025 at 2:02pm
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Phil Frances Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 October 2025 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | 8
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There seem to be rumblings that the military only need to follow LAWFUL orders ...
I didn't mention earlier - I worked in corporate culture for almost 40 years - we had various 'brilliant' ideas presented to us in similar circumstances ... they were all generally a sales pitch by talentless people desperate to make a difference. None of the ideas ever worked as - hey ! real world doesn't comply all the time with corporate idiocy - but thankfully none of those barmy schemes ever involved deploying the military.
Hegseth was even worse than the poorest presenter I ever saw. Full of his own importance - emboldened by Trump's ego. Slimy, awful little man. And - as we listened to the corporate blather and knew it rang false, I am absolutely sure that the assembled military chiefs felt similarly.
A reckoning will come at some point for these tools.
Edited by Phil Frances on 04 October 2025 at 12:16pm
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Phil Frances Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 October 2025 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | 9
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I try to be even-handed in most things through life - holding what I think are sound opinions, but also open to other points of view ....
Donald though ... is severely testing my resolve.
I'm currently reminded of the Elvis Costello song 'Tramp the Dirt Down', which he wrote as a commentary against Margaret Thatcher. Personally, Thatcher's policies helped us as a family, but I also knew folk who really struggled through unemployment and the bitter class division we had in 1980's Britain.
'And when they finally put you in the ground ; I'll stand on your grave. And tramp the dirt down"
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